Re: svn commit: r1209685 - /commons/proper/configuration/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/commons/configuration/ConfigurationFactory.java

2011-12-02 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi Oliver, On 2011-12-02, wrote: > Another attempt to fix the GUMP build using an ugly cast. Seeing you jumping through these hoops I wonder whether it wouldn't be better to look at the core issue. If configuration's compilation only fails in Gump this means there is an API broken between the

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-proxy-test (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-12-02 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-proxy-test has an issue affecting its community integration. This

[VOTE][Codec] Release Commons Codec 1.6-RC2 REDUX

2011-12-02 Thread Gary Gregory
Good day to you all: I have prepared Commons Codec 1.6-RC2, again, per Sebb's suggestion. I am not calling it RC3 because there are no changes in source files from the last RC. The only difference is that I built from a fresh checkout of the RC2 svn tag. The changes from RC1 are what Sebb found:

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Gary Gregory
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Simone Tripodi wrote: > > > Hi all guys, > > I would like to confirm Henri Yandell's concern about the cutting > > releases :( I honestly think we should speak less and practice more > > the "releas early and often" karma because the sad real

[GUMP@vmgump]: Project commons-sanselan (in module apache-commons) failed

2011-12-02 Thread Gump
To whom it may engage... This is an automated request, but not an unsolicited one. For more information please visit http://gump.apache.org/nagged.html, and/or contact the folk at gene...@gump.apache.org. Project commons-sanselan has an issue affecting its community integration. This is

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
Just to bump your attention on the [RELEASE PROCESS] discussion that probably could ensue at this point. Best regards, Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/JEXL-Jexl-2-1-tp4147180p4151203.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble

[JEXL] Running 2.0.1 Tests (slightly modified) against 2.1-SNAPSHOT code

2011-12-02 Thread sebb
To run the 2.0.1 tests against 2.1-SNAPSHOT, I have set up the branch https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/jexl/branches/COMMONS_JEXL_2_0_1_TEST This is a copy ot the 2.0.1 tag, with minimal changes to the tests to handle new features in the script engine, and minor error message text c

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hallo Joerg! I understand your concerns about binary compatibility - just for the record, I eat our dogfood as well at work - anyway IMHO at the same time we should try to not put us in the position to stop the progression, I continue taking the [collections] as main sample: we now have a binary c

[RELEASE PROCESS] Stability versus usability

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
It seems to me we have a hard time allowing both stability and usability. Stability of APIs does not contradict usability of the library, at least should not. Some of us are looking for very long term/stable/high-quality solutions because they need to aggregate lost of components, the stability u

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Jörg Schaible
Simone Tripodi wrote: > Hi all guys, > I would like to confirm Henri Yandell's concern about the cutting > releases :( I honestly think we should speak less and practice more > the "releas early and often" karma because the sad reality is... we've > been not good on it :( > My Maven community expe

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Gary Gregory
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:38 PM, sebb wrote: > On 2 December 2011 19:40, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM, sebb wrote: > > > >> On 2 December 2011 17:52, Gary Gregory wrote: > >> > +1. to release early, release often. > >> > >> But I hope we don't want to break user applic

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread sebb
On 2 December 2011 19:40, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM, sebb wrote: > >> On 2 December 2011 17:52, Gary Gregory wrote: >> > +1. to release early, release often. >> >> But I hope we don't want to break user applications. >> >> > Go for v3, seems simplest. >> >> Simpler for

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Gentlemen, big +1 from me too to speed up and stop the slavery of the 100 mad "fix me" rules. I will gladly vote +1 to releases which pass the unit tests but do not fulfill the maven reports (as long as I can't see really nasty bugs). Cheers, Christian On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Simone Tr

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys, I would like to confirm Henri Yandell's concern about the cutting releases :( I honestly think we should speak less and practice more the "releas early and often" karma because the sad reality is... we've been not good on it :( My Maven community experience let me totally astonished, w

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread James Carman
Also remember that releases can't be vetoed. Majority wins and must have 3 +1s. You'll have mine on a 3.x release! On Dec 2, 2011 2:40 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM, sebb wrote: > > > On 2 December 2011 17:52, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > +1. to release early, releas

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Gary Gregory
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM, sebb wrote: > On 2 December 2011 17:52, Gary Gregory wrote: > > +1. to release early, release often. > > But I hope we don't want to break user applications. > > > Go for v3, seems simplest. > > Simpler for whom? > Simpler for people to use the latest version wit

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread sebb
On 2 December 2011 17:52, Gary Gregory wrote: > +1. to release early, release often. But I hope we don't want to break user applications. > Go for v3, seems simplest. Simpler for whom? We could always release major versions with package and Maven id changes, and then compatibility issues would

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Adrian Crum
Some of the release requirements are specific to Commons, not the ASF in general. -Adrian On 12/2/2011 4:34 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM, henrib wrote: Of course I am frustrated; I'm old enough to know it will pass... More importantly, I now need to re-evalu

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Gary Gregory
+1. to release early, release often. Go for v3, seems simplest. If someone really wants fixes in 2.x, then you release from the branch. Gary On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM, henrib wrote: > I've done the same thing and been pushing JEXL snapshots for sometime to > avoid the unpleasant moment, s

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
I've done the same thing and been pushing JEXL snapshots for sometime to avoid the unpleasant moment, so unpleasant that I've procrastinated enough to now have to consider alternatives. I find disturbing that committers fear to release and that goodwill to share features and code is killed by the p

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM, henrib wrote: > Of course I am frustrated; I'm old enough to know it will pass... > > More importantly, I now need to re-evaluate whether JEXL as an Apache > Commons project is a library I can continue to use and recommend for > professional usage; it has a shallow

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
I'll try to follow-up the discussion about the Clirr errors when it starts. I hope you'll be able to serve as an RM. Thanks for your answer, Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/JEXL-Jexl-2-1-tp4147180p4147829.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
Of course I am frustrated; I'm old enough to know it will pass... More importantly, I now need to re-evaluate whether JEXL as an Apache Commons project is a library I can continue to use and recommend for professional usage; it has a shallow community, only had one committer for the past 3-4 years

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread sebb
On 2 December 2011 14:14, henrib wrote: > Just a simple question to Sebb; > Do you intend to pursue and release 2.1 or just leave it as is? Yes, I would like 2.1 to be released. Given that there appear to be some binary incompatibilies that cannot be resolved without losing much recent work and

Re: [JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Henri, On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM, henrib wrote: > Just a simple question to Sebb; > Do you intend to pursue and release 2.1 or just leave it as is? This sounds somehow frustrated. Am I wrong? Cheers Christian > Regards, > Henrib > > -- > View this message in context: > http://apache-comm

[JEXL] Jexl 2.1?

2011-12-02 Thread henrib
Just a simple question to Sebb; Do you intend to pursue and release 2.1 or just leave it as is? Regards, Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/JEXL-Jexl-2-1-tp4147180p4147180.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---

Re: [all] Should I update serialVersionUID?

2011-12-02 Thread Sébastien Brisard
> > Change in binary layout means (unless your type implements > readObject/writeObject methods, that has own rules) any change in the > declaration of (inherited) members: > - change of type > - different declaration sequence (!) > - change of transient mode > or any change in the type inheritance

Re: [all] Should I update serialVersionUID?

2011-12-02 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Sébastian, Sébastien Brisard wrote: >> >> Only if the binary layout has changed. >> >> - Jörg >> > Thanks Jörg for this answer. Only, could you be a bit more specific, > please? I suppose that if I only change comments,or rename variables, > I do not change the binary layout. In all other inst