RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-23 Thread Ross Gardler
can't do it alone, they need support. That support should come from here. -Original Message- From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:12 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-23 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/21/15, 7:06 PM, "William A Rowe Jr" wrote: >That was my reaction. A dev-cn@community.apache. org could be a useful >discussion vehicle to engage prospects and help with facilitating that >engagement. It wouldn't look all that much different than the usual >English

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-23 Thread Benson Margulies
It won't be a community if people are unable to follow the discussions. I think that it would be fine to handle user@ traffic in whatever language, but we need to enforce English as the language of community decision making. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-22 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Ted Liu wrote: > My apologies if misunderstood from Ted Dunning's earlier comment: " I was > a mentor on kylin and worried about English being a problem for > contribution. The real problem is that apache is partially defined by the > use of

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Lei Chang wrote: > There are about 5 million college graduates each year in China, and i think > there is > a great potential to increase the number of contributors from Apache > community in China. Speaking of which: do you know what's

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
he.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Ted Liu <t...@microsoft.com> wrote: > p.s. The reason why a Wechat public account is a big plus because it is > used by 500M

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Luke Han
an [mailto:luke...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:08 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Cc: nic...@hedhman.org > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China > Community > > >>I'm so glad to hear that you were the mentor of

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Dunning
Ted, My further comments are in-line. Your explanation is helping understand what your goals are. On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Ted Liu wrote: > Hi Ted, Yes, we want to establish a bridge or a group (if the idea of > "China Community" seemed to be intimidating or

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
com] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:08 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: nic...@hedhman.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community >>I'm so glad to hear that you were the mentor of Apache Kylin >>incubation project and trust that

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community thinking more about it Imagine: - a few localized pages in https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apache.org=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Luke Han
> Chinese-originated projects like Kylin. So the localization priority is > obvious. > > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: Ted Dunning [mailto:ted.dunn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 7:33 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Cc: nic...@hedhma

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Dunning
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Ted Liu wrote: > p.s. The reason why a Wechat public account is a big plus because it is > used by 500M Wechat chatters on daily basis to acquire/learn information. > This is a very effective China-specific scenario. > Note that you can use

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread William A Rowe Jr
ation is an unknown that younger generation > > > contributors would not tolerate. > > > > > > The more challenging part is the culture differences where the sense of > > > community, governance, contribution and the Apache Way are still at > > > infant stage in Ch

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
Got it. Will work with Sally for it. Ted -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 1:20 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community True that any

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
Localized content is a great suggestion. -Original Message- From: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:58 AM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community I like the idea

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Dunning
Ross, How do you square opposition to a separate china org with the irreconcilable needs to maintain English as the language of apache with the need to allow non-English speaking Chinese speakers to participate? I can't. To the extent that it is possible, I encourage English capable people

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
@community.apache.org Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community Localized content is a great suggestion. -Original Message- From: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:58 AM To: dev@community.apache.org

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Lei Chang
here the proposed China community/group can > contribute. > > > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:hedh...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:02 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Ap

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
re the proposed China community/group can > > contribute. > > > > > > Ted > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:hedh...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:02 PM > > To: dev@community.apache.org >

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Sarah Groves
Phone From: Ted Dunning<mailto:ted.dunn...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎11/‎21/‎2015 3:27 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Cc: nic...@hedhman.org<mailto:nic...@hedhman.org> Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
November 21, 2015 1:58 AM To: dev@community.apache.org; nic...@hedhman.org Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community Hi Niclas, It'd be appreciated an open and constructive discussion can be formed at ASF instead of labeling or stereotyping. The ask of fo

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
onsider what contents and a streamline user > > experience. Ted > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Ross Gardler [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 7:00 PM > > To: dev@community.apache.org > > Subject: RE:

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
-Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:46 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: nic...@hedhman.org Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community Why do those pioneers need a place outside

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ted Liu
Lei, Thanks. Ted -Original Message- From: Lei Chang [mailto:chang.lei...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:17 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Cc: nic...@hedhman.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community +1 for a formal community

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
: nic...@hedhman.org Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community +1 for a formal community project in China. There are some experiences I can share when some apache committers in China are developing the community for Apache HAWQ (in incubation). A wechat

RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
ailto:dev@community.apache.org> Cc: nic...@hedhman.org<mailto:nic...@hedhman.org> Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community Ross, How do you square opposition to a separate china org with the irreconcilable needs to maintain English as the

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

2015-11-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Ted, 2 things... 1. There were Apache Roadshows in Shanghai in 2010 and 2011. 2. I am glad to see your enthusiasm of forming/creating organization. But the ASF and many other open source projects are not command driven top-down structures. So, there is very little "need" for "creation of