Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-25 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Roman > >> The challenge that is unique to OpenOffice as you are well aware is >> the fact that >> it is both a product and a project. > > It's a bit provocative. What would happened if we drop the product, but > don't retire as a projec

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-23 Thread Issac Goldstand
+1 As a silent observer of AOO for years, I've seen this come up and be hashed many times internally. I think it's a sort of unique TLP with it's own unique issues, and that the exposure to the rest of the ASF here might bring up some fresh ideas. On 4/21/2017 7:08 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > H

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Yes, I'll be in Miami. Cheers, Hadrian On 04/21/2017 12:30 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Hadrian / Raphael, I will be at Apachecon Miami and open for any opportunity. Will either of you be there? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: On 04/20/

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Hadrian Am .04.2017, 06:05 Uhr, schrieb Hadrian Zbarcea : On 04/20/2017 11:06 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi Ted Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : Raphael, Why don't you get some folks together and start a company t

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am .04.2017, 06:30 Uhr, schrieb Dave Fisher : Hadrian / Raphael, I will be at Apachecon Miami and open for any opportunity. Will either of you be there? Unfortunately I'm not. But how about meeting on a chat, videochat? Regards Raphael -- My introduction https://youtu.be/Ln4vly5sxYU ---

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Dave Fisher
Hadrian / Raphael, I will be at Apachecon Miami and open for any opportunity. Will either of you be there? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > > > >> On 04/20/2017 11:06 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Ra

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Ted Am .04.2017, 00:35 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: The challenge that is unique to OpenOffice as you are well aware is the fact that it is both a product and a project. It's a bit provocative. What would happened if we drop the

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
On 04/20/2017 11:06 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi Ted Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : Raphael, Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits donations to support OO development and QA work?

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Ted Dunning
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > The challenge that is unique to OpenOffice as you are well aware is >> the fact that >> it is both a product and a project. >> > > It's a bit provocative. What would happened if we drop the product, but > don't retire as a project. Could

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Roman Am .04.2017, 17:06 Uhr, schrieb Roman Shaposhnik : On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi Ted Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : Raphael, Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits donations to support OO development and

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread toki
On 04/20/2017 10:27 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: >Why don't you manage to take over the Apache OpenOffice users in all these years. I've thought about it, but my basic approach to getting things done conflicts with doing things the Apache Way. >Why LibreOffice lose users like the City of Munich.

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Ted > > Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : > >> Raphael, >> >> Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits >> donations to support OO development and QA work? > > > That's the Apache like style, and

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Rich Bowen
This is an incredibly unhelpful response. Don't feed the troll. On 04/20/2017 01:03 AM, toki wrote: > On 04/19/2017 09:26 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > >> * are there problems in the community - especially among the developers? > > What has happened to Apache OpenOffice was been entirely predictably.

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Ted Am .04.2017, 06:14 Uhr, schrieb Ted Dunning : Raphael, Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits donations to support OO development and QA work? That's the Apache like style, and that's exactly the reason why i write to community and not to the openoff

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-20 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Toki It's interesting how you jump in every time we talk about trouble at OpenOffice. I know, that you and some LibreOffice guys want to see Apache OpenOffice dead. If we are so bad, you should better ask your self, why you don't manage to take over the Apache OpenOffice users in all thi

RE: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
> -Original Message- > From: Andy Wenk [mailto:andyw...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 14:26 > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: Trouble child OpenOffice > > Hi Raphael, > > this is really sad to hear. The gap between so many users

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread toki
On 04/19/2017 09:26 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > * are there problems in the community - especially among the developers? What has happened to Apache OpenOffice was been entirely predictably. Oracle's offer checked all of the boxes for ensuring that a project would have no developer support. > * is O

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread Ted Dunning
Raphael, Why don't you get some folks together and start a company that solicits donations to support OO development and QA work? On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Raphael, > > Not sure why you aren't trying this conversation on the OpenOffice > Developer list. > > It i

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Raphael, Not sure why you aren't trying this conversation on the OpenOffice Developer list. It is true there is a lack of c++ devs and QA. We were too dependent on IBM. You had volunteered to do Windows builds, but had other considerations? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 19, 2

Re: Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread Andy Wenk
Hi Raphael, this is really sad to hear. The gap between so many users and a vanishing community developers wise is really strange. So the question comes to mind what the reasons are for this situation: * are there problems in the community - especially among the developers? * is OpenOffice not

Trouble child OpenOffice

2017-04-19 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi people I want to raise a question here. I know, we have to solve our problems our self, but maybe here are people with ideas. OpenOffice has a big community problem. The community was simply melted away in the last year. We have at the moment no Company who offer devs. And the rest of th