Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-30 Thread Joan Touzet
Looks like good information to have on a webpage somewhere that discusses our policies ;) -Joan - Original Message - From: "Noah Slater" To: dev@couchdb.apache.org, "Andreas Wenk" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:56:00 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Devel

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-30 Thread Noah Slater
issues raised are addressed promptly and disclosed as soon as feasible. >> >> -Joan >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bruno Rohée" >> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org >> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:42:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Cou

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-30 Thread Andy Wenk
t; > - Original Message - > From: "Bruno Rohée" > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:42:29 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct > > Joan Touzet wtrote: > > > We will keep our entire bug r

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Joan Touzet
- From: "Bruno Rohée" To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct Joan Touzet wtrote: > We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view at all times. Reports that people fil

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Bruno Rohée
Joan Touzet wtrote: > We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view at all times. Reports that people file online will promptly become visible to others. My two cents : there are good, practical reasons to keep some bugs confidential before a fix/workaround is available. Name

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
: >>>> > Can I ask folks who prefer the Django one to the Debian one specially >>>> > why? Is there something in Django's that's not in Debian's? Is there >>>> stuff >>>> > in the Debian one that people don't like explicitlly

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
>> > For me, I agree the Django one is shorter and better formatted, but it >>> > seemed to cover less ground than the Debian one. >>> > >>> > -Joan >>> > >>> > - Original Message - >>> > From: "Nick North

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
>> > seemed to cover less ground than the Debian one. >> > >> > -Joan >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Nick North" >> > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:30:48 AM >>

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Nick North
is shorter and better formatted, but it > > seemed to cover less ground than the Debian one. > > > > -Joan > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick North" > > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
ground than the Debian one. > > -Joan > > - Original Message - > From: "Nick North" > To: dev@couchdb.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:30:48 AM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct > > +1 on the CoC idea. I also like the Djang

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Joan Touzet
to cover less ground than the Debian one. -Joan - Original Message - From: "Nick North" To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:30:48 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct +1 on the CoC idea. I also like the Django example as a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Nick North
+1 on the CoC idea. I also like the Django example as a starting point. And definitely +1 on no profanity - plenty of people are offended by it, and that in itself should be enough to rule it out. It also adds nothing to the process of communicating ideas to the community. Nick On 29 April 2014

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
Jason, My thinking here is modelled on a typical HR policy. There are minor offences and major offences. Minor ones are met with warnings, and major ones are met with summary dismissal. If a PMC member unambiguously, and seriously, acts against the best interests of the project, then I think it i

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Smith
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Mike Rhodes wrote: > On 29 April 2014 11:18, Jason Smith wrote: > > > Rule: No profanity > > > > Secondly, this is only a suspicion, but I think profanity (and also cocky > > faux hatred), is a shibboleth indicating manhood and that we are in a > > men-only club.

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Mike Rhodes
On 29 April 2014 11:18, Jason Smith wrote: > Rule: No profanity > > Secondly, this is only a suspicion, but I think profanity (and also cocky > faux hatred), is a shibboleth indicating manhood and that we are in a > men-only club. It's like a loud fart or belch, or scratching your groin. > Men ge

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Dave Cottlehuber
On 28 April 2014 21:28, Joan Touzet wrote: > All, > > The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache CouchDB > Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To make that happen, we need your > help. > > We do not at this time have a specific text proposal. We'd like to open that

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jason Smith wrote: > > Rule: No profanity > > Consequence: private email from $somebody asking to stop (i.e. I propose > that this is the most minor transgression possible, but it's still > frowned-upon) Big +1. First ask politely in private what's you're doing wr

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Smith
Noah, may I propose a rule and consequences not listed in any of the CoCs so-far: Rule: No profanity Consequence: private email from $somebody asking to stop (i.e. I propose that this is the most minor transgression possible, but it's still frowned-upon) Background: Sorry if this is bike sheddi

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Smith
TL;DR = Is immediate removal from the project really worth thinking about? Noah, can you think of an example infraction that could plausibly trigger an immediate removal from the project, for a first offense? Yes we can all think of hypothetical examples, but something plausible from this communit

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Andy Wenk
On 29 April 2014 10:54, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman >wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > > > The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache > > CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-29 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > > The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache > CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To make that happen, we > need your help. > > Sounds like a goo

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache CouchDB > Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To make that happen, we need your > help. Sounds like a good idea. Here are the Python and Django versions: https://www.p

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Joan Touzet
"Noah Slater" To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 4:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct A requirement for me for our CoC is that we have a well defined response procedure. This is a commonly done for conferences, but is usually

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Noah Slater
A requirement for me for our CoC is that we have a well defined response procedure. This is a commonly done for conferences, but is usually kept private to conference organisers. Obviously, ours will be public. To give you an idea of what I'm thinking: - Minor infractions vs. major infractions -

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Joan Touzet
Benoit said: > This one looks really good. What's your plan about the social contract? > Take something adapted? In the context of this CoC it only refers to: "We will not hide problems We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view at all times. Reports that people file

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > All, > > The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache CouchDB > Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To make that happen, we need > your help. > > We do not at this time have a specific text proposal. We'd like to o

[DISCUSS] Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct

2014-04-28 Thread Joan Touzet
All, The PMC would like to move forward towards establishing an Apache CouchDB Developer Code of Conduct (CoC for short). To make that happen, we need your help. We do not at this time have a specific text proposal. We'd like to open that up to contributions from the developer community. Exam