Re: Meetup at ApacheCon? --> Room nearby!

2005-06-02 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
David Crossley wrote: ... Here is the current schedule: Tuesday 19 July Event: Apache Committers Hackathon Time: all day Location: ApacheCon Probably I will be staying only Monday and Tuesday during the week, as I cannot stay away for more than two days f

Re: Slide Integration

2005-06-02 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 08:43 +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > ... > > I'm currently experimenting with the locationmap code, I have it working > > "to an extent". But have not yet managed to get it to work at the > > generation stage (through lack of time rather than a prob

Re: Slide Integration

2005-06-02 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ross Gardler wrote: ... I'm currently experimenting with the locationmap code, I have it working "to an extent". But have not yet managed to get it to work at the generation stage (through lack of time rather than a problem with the code, I think). I will attach a patch against the current SVN

Re: does checksums-uri in cli.conf work?

2005-06-02 Thread David Crossley
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > > > Probably faster to try turning it on than for someone to type a reply (I > > don't know the answer by the way). > > My question was more about hidden side effects that I wouldn't find > through trial and error. But since nobody seems to know I'l

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Ross Gardler wrote: > > >Why have you called this thread a Random Thought? It sounds > >like a proposal. Be aware that people often ignore RT threads > >until they have time to investigate, whereas proposals need > >the attention of committers. > > B

[JIRA] Closed: (FOR-515) Duplicate year in Pelt copyright text

2005-06-02 Thread issues
Message: The following issue has been closed. Resolver: David Crossley Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 8:59 PM Thanks, fixed now. - View the issue: http://issues.cocoondev.org//browse/FOR-515 Here is an overview of the iss

[JIRA] Updated: (FOR-515) Duplicate year in Pelt copyright text

2005-06-02 Thread issues
The following issue has been updated: Updater: Ross Gardler (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 6:51 PM Changes: Fix Version changed to 0.7-dev - For a full history of the issue, see:

[JIRA] Commented: (FOR-515) Duplicate year in Pelt copyright text

2005-06-02 Thread issues
The following comment has been added to this issue: Author: Addison Berry Created: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 6:14 PM Body: Note that Tim Williams found the bug in the file originally. - View this comment: http://issues.coc

[JIRA] Updated: (FOR-515) Duplicate year in Pelt copyright text

2005-06-02 Thread issues
The following issue has been updated: Updater: Addison Berry (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 6:10 PM Comment: Attached a patch that removes the duplicate year that is within the otherwise clause. This makes the year always appear as non-link text, one time regard

[JIRA] Created: (FOR-515) Duplicate year in Pelt copyright text

2005-06-02 Thread issues
Message: A new issue has been created in JIRA. - View the issue: http://issues.cocoondev.org//browse/FOR-515 Here is an overview of the issue: - Key

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 13:12 -0400, Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 15:27 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > ... > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>I don't see the value in th

Re: Duplicate copyright date

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Addi wrote: Thanks for finding that for me. I agree that the only difference should be the vendor hyperlinked or not and the year always there. I found where you are and I commented out line 301 to do it this way instead. I hadn't ever ventured into these files so it took me a while to figur

Re: Slide Integration

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Tim Williams wrote: On 6/2/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim Williams wrote: Sent to dev as suggested. On 5/18/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim Williams wrote: Has anyone already documented how to use Slide as a backend to Forrest? If not maybe some high-l

Re: Duplicate copyright date

2005-06-02 Thread Addi
Thanks for finding that for me. I agree that the only difference should be the vendor hyperlinked or not and the year always there. I found where you are and I commented out line 301 to do it this way instead. I hadn't ever ventured into these files so it took me a while to figure out where

Re: Slide Integration

2005-06-02 Thread Tim Williams
On 6/2/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Williams wrote: > > Sent to dev as suggested. > > > > On 5/18/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Tim Williams wrote: > >> > >>>Has anyone already documented how to use Slide as a backend to > >>>Forrest? If not maybe some hi

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 19:04 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote: Thorsten, what would the equivalent to the above be in views? I started the work in view on it and it seems to work till the final stage. :( ...but I guess it is a bug that I hope to find quite fast. ;-) I tes

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 15:27 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: ... I don't see the value in this. I would imagine that regardless of what skin you are using you would want the same value

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Pedro I. Sanchez
On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 19:04 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote: > > Thorsten, what would the equivalent to the above be in views? > > I started the work in view on it and it seems to work till the final > stage. :( ...but I guess it is a bug that I hope to find quite fast. ;-) > I tested with one cont

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Pedro I. Sanchez
On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 15:27 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > > ... > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>I don't see the value in this. I would imagine that regardless of what > >>skin you are using you would want

Re: Summer of Code

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Mikler wrote: Hello! Hi, because your mail discusses some additional ideas for Forrest I have sent this response to the Forrest dev list for further comment. If you are not already a member of the dev list you should join in order to see other devs responses to your ideas. http://forrest.apac

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Thorsten Scherler wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: Hello, A few days ago I added issue FOR-506 on this topic. This is my original message: "Text strings like "Copyright", "Published", and "Search" are hardcoded into skin files like sit

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: > > Hello, > > > > A few days ago I added issue FOR-506 on this topic. This is my original > > message: > > > > "Text strings like "Copyright", "Published", and "Search" are > >hardcoded into skin files like si

Re: Duplicate copyright date

2005-06-02 Thread Tim Williams
For the proper fix, I'm not sure what *should* happen if there is a copyright-link. Right now the copyright year is not included when copyright-link exists, should it? Seems to make sense that the only difference would be if copyright-link exists then vendor would be a hyperlink instead of text? -

Re: Duplicate copyright date

2005-06-02 Thread Tim Williams
Looks like a bug in pelt. When you don't have a copyright-link it prints it out both explicitly before the choose and again inside the "otherwise". A quick fix is to just comment out line 289. I think this should be an issue though. --tim On 6/2/05, Addi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: ... I don't see the value in this. I would imagine that regardless of what skin you are using you would want the same values to appear in the output site. Skins will have different set of labels. "cop

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Pedro I. Sanchez
On Thu, 2005-02-06 at 10:34 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: > > Hello, > > > > A few days ago I added issue FOR-506 on this topic. This is my original > > message: > > > > "Text strings like "Copyright", "Published", and "Search" are > >hardcoded into skin files like si

Duplicate copyright date

2005-06-02 Thread Addi
I'm using 0.7 svn and when creating a new site I am getting a duplicate copyright date ( Copyright © 2005 2005 The Acme Software Foundation.) prior to making any edits to anything. The year is only in the skinconf.xml file once so it looks like it is getting duplicated somewhere in processing.

[JIRA] Closed: (FOR-189) Ad charting capability to Forrest

2005-06-02 Thread issues
Message: The following issue has been closed. Resolver: Ross Gardler Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 8:47 AM See the Chart output plugin - View the issue: http://issues.cocoondev.org//browse/FOR-189 Here is an overview of

Re: Fussy feelings about 0.7

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: So I guess the outcome of the 'fuzzy' debate is that this issue is a blocker and we will delay the 0.7 release once again? If so, how much time do we have in case we decide to get rid of the xdocs-folder? We will *not* be getting rid of the xdocs folder in 0.7. This is

Re: Fussy feelings about 0.7

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
David Crossley wrote: > Thorsten Scherler wrote: >> Ross Gardler wrote: >> > Thorsten Scherler wrote: >> > > Hello all, >> > > >> > > as more mails I read (mainly from Ross and David) as more I get a fussy >> > > feelings in my stomach about the 0.7. >> > > >> > > Sure we want to get the 0.

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages (was Re: Forrest Example Sites)

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Torsten Stolpmann wrote: As Claudia already pointed out, most work done on pelt was rather destructive (disabling/removing features we didn't need/like/got in the way) than constructive. I've often wanted to disable certain features in our skins, but never found the time to do it. The diffs

Re: [JIRA] Created: (FOR-505) Allow the retrieval of raw html files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: And would I still have an additional separate entry in the sitemap to have /old_site_1/index.htm on the menu or would this have to be within the rawContent element. Do you mean "would I still have an additional separate entry in the *skins.xml

Re: [JIRA] Created: (FOR-505) Allow the retrieval of raw html files

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Ross Gardler wrote: >> And would I still have an additional separate entry in the sitemap to >> have /old_site_1/index.htm on the menu or would this have to be >> within the rawContent element. > Do you mean "would I still have an additional separate entry in the > *skins.xml*"? Sorry, I wa

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages (was Re: Forrest Example Sites)

2005-06-02 Thread Torsten Stolpmann
Hi! I drop in for Claudia here, since I did most of the skin modification stuff for the website myself. But yes, Claudia is reading this as well. First of all: The modification of common skin elements is definitly reversable as already pointed out by several people here. It was done the way

Re: [JIRA] Created: (FOR-505) Allow the retrieval of raw html files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: Anyway, +1 for implementing it instead of the skinHTMLSources=true workaround. Pardon my ignorance but is this A third possibility that is a marrying of the two is elements in site.xml to make it much more like the Ant fileset idea, like this:

Summer of Code proposals

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
As all committers will now know Apache is a mentoring organisation in Googles Summer of Code initiative. I have already submitted (and received interest in) a proposal to build voice plugins for Forrest. However, there is plenty of scope for other proposals. The idea is that the student be m

Re: [JIRA] Created: (FOR-505) Allow the retrieval of raw html files

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Ross Gardler wrote: > Anyway, +1 for implementing it instead of the skinHTMLSources=true > workaround. Pardon my ignorance but is this > A third possibility that is a marrying of the two is elements in > site.xml to make it much more like the Ant fileset idea, like this: > > > > > > >

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages (was Re: Forrest Example Sites)

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: ... I think it is the best option (apart from the views plugin). We work as a community to develop one really good skin that can address most needs and enables people to configure it. -1 Until 'views' is available it would really help to make o

Re: documentation additions and issue tracking (Was: App vs Data) [moved from user list]

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Ross Gardler wrote: > This is a good idea, but I recommend we wait on this second proposal > until we have the 0.8 docs in place. This will happen immediately after > the 0.7 release. I propose this because there will be very little > content, and therefore very little value for the 0.7 relea

Re: documentation additions and issue tracking (Was: App vs Data) [moved from user list]

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: ... In my opinion what should happen is that the relevant chapter outline should be ripped out of the proposal and put into SVN as XHTML documents that we can point to via an URL to SVN. With our recent influx of offers for help on beginner docume

Students: work on Apache Forrest and earn US$4500

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
The Apache Software Foundation is a proud partner of Google Summer of Code initiative (http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html). The Summer of Code is a program designed to introduce students to the world of Open Source Software Development and provide them with a $4500 award for completing an O

Re: Lenya and forrest integration

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Andreas Hartmann wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote: Thorsten Scherler wrote: ... What do both projects think which one should become the main app (lenya or forrest)? that's a funny question :) afaik forrest has no workflow, user management etc, so if you need th

Re: does checksums-uri in cli.conf work?

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Ross Gardler wrote: > Probably faster to try turning it on than for someone to type a reply (I > don't know the answer by the way). My question was more about hidden side effects that I wouldn't find through trial and error. But since nobody seems to know I'll just try. -- Ferdinand Soethe

Re: Slide Integration

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Tim Williams wrote: Sent to dev as suggested. On 5/18/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim Williams wrote: Has anyone already documented how to use Slide as a backend to Forrest? If not maybe some high-level pointers of where to start? Nobody has documented this, or to my knowl

Re: documentation additions and issue tracking (Was: App vs Data) [moved from user list]

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Ross Gardler wrote: > I am thoroughly confused by the discussion and can only > assume that it is a potential issue with the German publishers. Correct. > What Ferdinand is proposing to donate to Forrest is just the outline of > a book. About half of this book is of no interest to a documentati

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages (was Re: Forrest Example Sites)

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Note: Perhaps I also have a slightly different view on this in the sense that I'm not aiming at building and maintaining a collection of skins but would rather like to have a quick and easy way to see and learn about other people's skins. And although I'm not opposed to wo

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Thorsten Scherler wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:08 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: I should have made the subject "attracting skins/views developers through skin-packages" Thorsten, does this make any sense or am I going down a dead end here? IMO part 1 no, part 2 yes. View development is

Re: How to avoid hard-coding site-visible message strings in skin files

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
Pedro I. Sanchez wrote: Hello, A few days ago I added issue FOR-506 on this topic. This is my original message: "Text strings like "Copyright", "Published", and "Search" are hardcoded into skin files like site2xhtml.xsl. When creating web sites in languages other than English the web de

Re: documentation additions and issue tracking (Was: App vs Data) [moved from user list]

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
David Crossley wrote: Ferdinand Soethe wrote: David Crossley wrote: If you tell the list what your general aim is then we can see what any legal issues might be. We can also seek help from the Apache "legal-discuss" mailing list. It is actually quite simple to describe: I want to donate t

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread Ferdinand Soethe
Thorsten Scherler wrote: > IMO the only thing that we can and should accept is the CSS of Claudia. > Skins ("old fashion" - the ones we have right now) are horror for > maintainment (and there are only few that really maintain them). More so > if they change common skin stylesheets. I'd like to

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 10:08 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > I should have made the subject "attracting skins/views developers > through skin-packages" > > Thorsten, does this make any sense or am I going down a dead end here? IMO part 1 no, part 2 yes. View development is different from skin dev

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread Ross Gardler
David Crossley wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I would love to see your skin made available (I too like it a great deal). However, we need to discuss exactly how to accept this donation over on the dev list (this mail is copied to the dev list and replies will be sent there). Could we please ke

Re: [RT] Accepting and managing Skin Packages

2005-06-02 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 15:49 +1000, David Crossley wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > 1. Forrest accepts the skin and keeps it in SVN > > > > I am -0 on this. We need to would then be forced to maintain the skin > > and ensure that it is "correct" in the sense of everything is done the > > ri