Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Jeremy Boynes wrote: > ... > If someone implements this (dealing, of course, with all the nasties) > then all the better; in fact, IIRC there is some old scanning code of > mine lying around in the repo somewhere. > > However, due to the technical issues I would still not adv

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
I think there is a misconception here between what is supported and what is recommended. There have been a lot of bad ideas in the past (EJB1.0 DD anyone?) and people have tried to improve on them. I don't think we need to make bad ideas from the past the recommended way of doing things even if

Re: subscription URLs to Geronimo

2004-11-07 Thread Michael G. McGrady
Thanks to everyone for their help. Mucho gracia! Michael

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, David Jencks wrote: > I don't think "drop, wait & wonder" hot deployment should be supported. > This only supports deployment of applications with embedded plans or > applications that need no plan. I don't understand the objections to this. "embedded plans" is

Re: [VOTE] M3 pre ApacheCon

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, David Jencks wrote: > I'm not exactly ready to vote -1, but I think we should resolve these > issues before M3: > > 1. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-386 Make cmp work with > derby. Prove it with the itests > > 2. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-452) XAResource.setTransactionTimeout never called

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
XAResource.setTransactionTimeout never called - Key: GERONIMO-452 URL: http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-452 Project: Apache Geronimo Type: Bug Components: transaction manager Versions: 1.0-M2 Re

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-378) transaction timeouts not implements

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
[ http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-378?page=history ] David Jencks closed GERONIMO-378: - Resolution: Fixed Fix Version: 1.0-M3 We've heard that the omission of thread local tx timeout from the latest jta spec is a mistake. UserTr

Re: Is transaction control leaking around the TransactionContextManager?

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
TranQL uses TM directly to avoid any dependency on Geronimo. IIRC the only place it is used is to support collection-valued accessors for EJBs - the spec requires that at the end of the transaction any returned Collections become inoperative. Have look at MultiValuedCMRAccessor Alternatively you

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks
Thank you Jeremy, this is a very clear explanation of the architecture. I agree completely with your point of view. I think we should get some version of this explanation on the wiki. I apologize for not entering this discussion earlier, but I didn't have time to think through the issues

Re: [VOTE] M3 pre ApacheCon

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks
I'm not exactly ready to vote -1, but I think we should resolve these issues before M3: 1. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-386 Make cmp work with derby. Prove it with the itests 2. http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-402 finish separating deployment code and runtime co

Is transaction control leaking around the TransactionContextManager?

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks
The TransactionContextManager has a getTransactionManager method that returns the underlying TransactionManager. This is used only by EJBModuleImpl to give the tmDelegate. I haven't looked but I think this is used by tranql/cmp. This seems wrong to me. I think it could result in the transact

Re: subscription URLs to Geronimo

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Michael G. McGrady wrote: Does anyone have a correct URL to the geronimo lists subscriptions? Thanks. Michael McGrady In general: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] e.g. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jeremy

Re: subscription URLs to Geronimo

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
Are you having trouble with the ones here: http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo#head-4e506cc0e4cdde5ada4b384308059f2d634d1d7e Aaron On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Michael G. McGrady wrote: > Does anyone have a correct URL to the geronimo lists subscriptions? Thanks.

subscription URLs to Geronimo

2004-11-07 Thread Michael G. McGrady
Does anyone have a correct URL to the geronimo lists subscriptions? Thanks. Michael McGrady

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Nov 7, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn fro

jsr-77 names and configuration portability

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks
Right now the complete jsr-77 object name for each component is determined when the module/application is "deployed" or turned into a configuration. I don't think this is really the most useful behavior. I think that the domain and server components of the object name should be determined by

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn from this issue and set forth some guidelines for

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:21 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues again. I suggest that we learn from this issue and set forth some guidelines for the future. As for the di

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Aaron Mulder wrote: Can you state your current opinion and reasoning? I think that's more valuable than a vote, at this stage. I know I'd like to have a broader discussion to try to agree on the best solution, or at least the best specific options to propose for a vote. For example, I th

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
Well, this raises an interesting issue. The page you've referred to is 100% obsolete, because Geronimo is no longer in the incubator. You (or your friend) must have gotten there from Google or a bookmark or soemthing, because Geronimo isn't even in the navigation menu to the left of that

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Bruce Snyder wrote: > Per these disagreements, I think that we should address them before we > move on simply because I don't want to be bitten by these same issues > again. I suggest that we learn from this issue and set forth some > guidelines for the future. > > As for th

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
Bruce, Can you state your current opinion and reasoning? I think that's more valuable than a vote, at this stage. I know I'd like to have a broader discussion to try to agree on the best solution, or at least the best specific options to propose for a vote. For example, I think we've kin

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Michael G. McGrady
pace vobiscum! Speaking only for myself, I think that geronimo and the people involved are top-notch. The project and the people are too good to allow this sort of devolution. I really think that where one feels heat seeking light would be preferrable. And, I want to say that often I am the

Re: What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Jeremy Boynes wrote: Last Thursday, Aaron Mulder and I had a heated but healthy technical discussion on this list about the implementation of certain features in the new deployer. It became clear to both of us that continuing to use email was getting unproductive and Aaron pinged me on IM to see if

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Aaron Mulder wrote: Just to reiterate, I think Jeremy is saying that using the deployer tool for offline install is limited because it doesn't know what GBeans the server is using for the ConfigStore and PersistentConfigList and so on. If we instead actually start the server to do an "offline"

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-451) geronimo connector xsd refers to sun schemas

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
geronimo connector xsd refers to sun schemas Key: GERONIMO-451 URL: http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-451 Project: Apache Geronimo Type: Bug Components: connector Versions: 1.0-M2 Reporter: Davi

[jira] Created: (GERONIMO-450) GBeans should use jsr-77 naming conventions and these names should have mostly default components

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
GBeans should use jsr-77 naming conventions and these names should have mostly default components - Key: GERONIMO-450 URL: http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-450 Proje

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-435) Should be able to specifiy default parent config id

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
[ http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-435?page=history ] David Jencks closed GERONIMO-435: - Resolution: Fixed Fix Version: 1.0-M3 Implemented. Every builder has a defaultParentId attribute. A service module can specify "no parent

What hidden agenda?

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Last Thursday, Aaron Mulder and I had a heated but healthy technical discussion on this list about the implementation of certain features in the new deployer. It became clear to both of us that continuing to use email was getting unproductive and Aaron pinged me on IM to see if we could discuss the

Re: M3 Release Notes

2004-11-07 Thread Bruce Snyder
Aaron Mulder wrote: I've added all the M3 issues to the M3 release notes. There were about 60 of them. I've got a ChangeLog formatted doc of all the changes pulled directly from SVN if you're interested. It'll first need to be filtered a bit, but that shouldn't be too difficult. There are 12

RE: build problem?

2004-11-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
For some reason you have to refresh and build openejb, then go back to building Geronimo. > -Original Message- > From: toby cabot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: build problem? > > Hi folks, > > Friday I could buil

Re: Vote: Remove old deployer, rename new deployer

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Gianny Damour wrote: > +1 > > As an aside, the new deployer can not distribute unpacked modules. Is it > intentional? JSR-88 doesn't support unpacked modules. If you like, we could assume any directory is an unpacked module, JAR it, distribute the JAR, then delete

Re: Vote: Remove old deployer, rename new deployer

2004-11-07 Thread Gianny Damour
+1 As an aside, the new deployer can not distribute unpacked modules. Is it intentional? Thanks, Gianny On 7/11/2004 4:35 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote: I'd like to remove the current "deployer.jar" tool, remove the command-line processing logic from the Deployer class, rename "new-deployer.jar"

Can I disable the OpenEJB itest module?

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
It doesn't even start, just craps out complaining that OpenORB doesn't support the VM (Sun 1.5.0 for Linux). I put in a JIRA and a report to OpenORB, but this is a blocker. I hate to just comment out the whole thing, but I can't get a full build with it in there, and I think 1.5 is a tar

Re: build problem?

2004-11-07 Thread Ralf Barkow
+1 -- Ralf

Re: online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
Just to reiterate, I think Jeremy is saying that using the deployer tool for offline install is limited because it doesn't know what GBeans the server is using for the ConfigStore and PersistentConfigList and so on. If we instead actually start the server to do an "offline" deployment/

Re: Axis build problem

2004-11-07 Thread Aaron Mulder
To add to this, Bruce had the same problem Friday, and it was solved through sufficient deleting of pre-downloaded files. I think it was just ~/.maven/repository/axis, but it may have been more. Aaron On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > check axis jars in your local maven rep

Re: Axis build problem

2004-11-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
check axis jars in your local maven repo. they may be corrupted. thanks, dims On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:15:48 -0800, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Jencks wrote: > > > > I haven't been building axis for a while because of the following problem: > > > > /Users/david/geronimo/ger

[jira] Assigned: (GERONIMO-435) Should be able to specifiy default parent config id

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks (JIRA)
[ http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-435?page=history ] David Jencks reassigned GERONIMO-435: - Assign To: David Jencks (was: Jeremy Boynes) > Should be able to specifiy default parent config id > --

[jira] Closed: (GERONIMO-429) Foreign key constraints are not enforced for CMP 2.x EntityBean

2004-11-07 Thread Gianny DAMOUR (JIRA)
[ http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-429?page=history ] Gianny DAMOUR closed GERONIMO-429: -- Resolution: Fixed Fix Version: 1.0-M3 This capability has been implemented. The optional element enforce-foreign-key-constraints indicates

Re: Axis build problem

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
David Jencks wrote: I haven't been building axis for a while because of the following problem: /Users/david/geronimo/geronimo/svn/geronimo/trunk/modules/axis/target/ generated/samples/echo-jar/org/apache/ws/echosample/ EchoStruct_Helper.java:13: cannot resolve symbol symbol : constructor TypeDe

Re: Vote: Remove old deployer, rename new deployer

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Aaron Mulder wrote: I'd like to remove the current "deployer.jar" tool, remove the command-line processing logic from the Deployer class, rename "new-deployer.jar" to "deployer.jar" and change the bootstrapper to build the new one instead of the old one. Currently there are two so we'd hav

Axis build problem

2004-11-07 Thread David Jencks
I haven't been building axis for a while because of the following problem: /Users/david/geronimo/geronimo/svn/geronimo/trunk/modules/axis/target/ generated/samples/echo-jar/org/apache/ws/echosample/ EchoStruct_Helper.java:13: cannot resolve symbol symbol : constructor TypeDesc (java.lang.Clas

online and offline deployment

2004-11-07 Thread Jeremy Boynes
As promised Thursday, here are the details of my concerns about mixing offline and online deployment. My concerns on this issue stem from how we package GBeans together for use by the kernel. Rather than handling them one-by-one, Geronimo uses the notion of a pre-canned Configuration which contains

build problem?

2004-11-07 Thread toby cabot
Hi folks, Friday I could build OK (using an older version of HOWL) but after a svn up today I get the failure below. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Toby jar:jar: assemble: [copy] Copying 1 file to /eng/home/tcabot/try/geronimo/modules/assembly/target/geronimo-1.0-SNAPSHOT/lib [copy] Co