Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-03-12 Thread Shankar Unni
Paul Querna wrote: - The configuration subsystem does not enable runtime changes, or the ability to easily programmatically extend it. Talking of configuration subsystem - it would be a good thing to expose the configuration mechanism to modules so that they can query core configuration

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-19 Thread Mads Toftum
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:26:57PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: As long as we first teach httpd/Subversion how to deal with all of the spelling mistakes from us trying to spell out Dutch words. I want something easy to remember *and* type! -- justin How about: D That whole fascination

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-19 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 2/19/07, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:26:57PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: As long as we first teach httpd/Subversion how to deal with all of the spelling mistakes from us trying to spell out Dutch words. I want something easy to remember *and* type!

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-19 Thread Sander Temme
On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Mads Toftum wrote: That whole fascination with Dutch things seem pretty silly random idea. Well, we, the community, *are* going there in just over two months, and I assume that we'll have at least a BOF to gather input/discussion. S. (/me volunteers to put

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread david reid
Paul Querna wrote: I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. I believe everyone involved has learned many things from 2.x. I wasn't here for all of the early 2.x development, so it is very easy to say I am naive in the scope of something like pushing

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 14, 2007, at 2:32 AM, Paul Querna wrote: I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. - Async IO will not work in the core without committing more evil hacks, that will make the code harder to understand and follow. - Async IO will not work

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Brian Akins
Make everything possible into a hook or use the provider model. Simple example: the way we determine if a connection can be kept alive is a monolithic function. This should be a hook. Disk I/O (read/write/seek, etc.) could be abstracted by providers, for example. Maybe we need full blown

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Paul Querna wrote: I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. So do I. In fact I was just about to create a sandbox for that purpose yesterday, but had to get the crypto stuff sorted out first. But do we really want to start

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Paul Querna wrote: I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. But do we really want to start by calling it 3.0? How about if we work off of a few code names first? Say, for example, amsterdam. The

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:10:19PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: But do we really want to start by calling it 3.0? How about if we work off of a few code names first? Say, for example, amsterdam. The reason is because there will be some overlap between ideas of how to do certain things,

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Paul Querna
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Paul Querna wrote: I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. So do I. In fact I was just about to create a sandbox for that purpose yesterday, but had to get the crypto stuff sorted out first.

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Paul Querna wrote: +1 to moving goal and discussion to a SVN file and starting a sandbox (same level as tags/branches?) Nooo - it is another sort of branch/, so belongs there. We could have a separate place, but why? branches/n.n.x should always sort before branches/async-foo,

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Graham Leggett
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Hey Dirk or Sander(s) - can we have a few cool sounding easy to spell place names from the Amsterdam area? The Vondelpark springs to mind - a very cool place to be in summer :) Regards, Graham -- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/14/07, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to giving it a code name; '3.0' to me is just an easy way to explain 'this is a major departure from the current 2.x'. I vote for using Monsters Inc characters...say Sulley or Boo. =) FWIW, I spawned this off Paul's suggestion on IRC of

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 14, 2007, at 3:06 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Paul Querna wrote: +1 to moving goal and discussion to a SVN file and starting a sandbox (same level as tags/branches?) Nooo - it is another sort of branch/, so belongs there. We could have a separate place, but why? branches/n.n.x

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: I was planning on creating repos/asf/httpd/sandbox/amsterdam/ and then moving the GSoC stuff to other subdirectories of that sandbox. I prefer to think of branches as forks off of trunk, whereas the sandbox would not be. Ok... that's another way.

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Sander Temme
On Feb 14, 2007, at 3:06 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Hey Dirk or Sander(s) - can we have a few cool sounding easy to spell place names from the Amsterdam area? My delightful pleasure. We can really go to town on this. Like, neighborhoods and places in Amsterdam: Jordaan Vondelpark

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Dumb Question: Would all this mean a total(?) rewrite of APR as well? -- dims On 2/14/07, Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 02:10:19PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: But do we really want to start by calling it 3.0? How about if we work off of a few code names

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 2/14/07, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dumb Question: Would all this mean a total(?) rewrite of APR as well? A total rewrite of APR seems unlikely, but if there are changes people want made to APR in order to better support new functionality in HTTPD I don't see why it wouldn't

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-14 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/14/07, Sander Temme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My delightful pleasure. We can really go to town on this. Like, neighborhoods and places in Amsterdam: As long as we first teach httpd/Subversion how to deal with all of the spelling mistakes from us trying to spell out Dutch words. I want

3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Querna
I believe the httpd project is ready for a push towards the next major version. I believe everyone involved has learned many things from 2.x. I wasn't here for all of the early 2.x development, so it is very easy to say I am naive in the scope of something like pushing for 3.0. Today, I view

Re: 3.0 - Introduction

2007-02-13 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 2/14/07, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally believe the push for 3.0 needs to be focused on how to create a positive scratch your own itch for most of the developer. So, in that spirit, what bothers everyone else about 2.x? - Things I find lacking in 2.x are like you said