Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-10-02 Thread Denis Magda
Apache Ignite is a trademark in the U.S. and we're still working to get it registered in China. It's a long process that can span years. It took us years. Not to say about all the content that is published and indexed for the "Apache Ignite" term. These are the two primary reasons why I don't

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-10-02 Thread Valentin Kulichenko
Hi Denis, Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you interpret the term "database" as just storage, separating it from processing capabilities. I would disagree with that. *Any* database provides such capabilities. Even traditional relational databases, which are based on SQL, allow you to

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-24 Thread Nikita Ivanov
Let's try to simplify the project's messaging - not introduce new sub-component naming or synthetic shelving to it :-) -- Nikita Ivanov On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:01 PM Denis Magda wrote: > If "Apache Ignite" remains then another option is to keep defining Ignite > as an in-memory computing

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-24 Thread Carbone, Adam
> > > > > > > *From: *Denis Magda > *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 4:14 PM > *To: *dev , "Carbone, Adam" < > adam.carb...@bottomline.com> > *Cc: *"u...@ignite.apache.org" > *Subject:

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-24 Thread Denis Magda
*Denis Magda > *Date: *Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 4:14 PM > *To: *dev , "Carbone, Adam" < > adam.carb...@bottomline.com> > *Cc: *"u...@ignite.apache.org" > *Subject: *Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category > > > > Adam, > > &

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-24 Thread Nikita Ivanov
"Apache Ignite" will remain the same... We are just going to refer to it as "IgniteDB" everywhere where it doesn't technically conflict with "Apache Ignite". We are also not changing the package structure (i.e. the packaging will remain 'org.apache.ignite.xxx'). Or... we can go and rename the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-24 Thread Denis Magda
Nikita, Cos, Agree, IgniteDB would be a much better option if the project would be launched these days with the current set of capabilities. But, as of now, the renaming won't be a benign move, it can do more bad than good. "Apache Ignite" is already a brand and even a trademark, the organic

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-23 Thread Carbone, Adam
To: dev , "Carbone, Adam" Cc: "u...@ignite.apache.org" Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category Adam, You defined GigaSpaces as a true in-memory computing platform. What is the true platform for you? - Denis On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:02 AM Carbone, Ad

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-23 Thread Denis Magda
Adam, You defined GigaSpaces as a true in-memory computing platform. What is the true platform for you? - Denis On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 7:02 AM Carbone, Adam wrote: > So when I came across Ignite It was described as an In Memory Data Grid > > So one way to look at this is who do you fashion

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
+1 With regards, Cos On 2020-09-21 20:35, Nikita Ivanov wrote: My vote is to just call ignite "IgniteDB". That's it. No other additional explanation is required as no amount of additional verbiage will help. Every DB is different: from MongoDB, to RedisDB, to CockroachDB, to Oracle - they

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-21 Thread Nikita Ivanov
My vote is to just call ignite "IgniteDB". That's it. No other additional explanation is required as no amount of additional verbiage will help. Every DB is different: from MongoDB, to RedisDB, to CockroachDB, to Oracle - they all look & act completely different, and they don't go around trying to

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-19 Thread Saikat Maitra
Hi, My thoughts are similar to as Denis and Val mentioned like Apache Ignite - "A Memory Centric Database". It aligns to current features of Apache Ignite as mentioned in the below post. https://thenewstack.io/memory-centric-architectures-whats-next-for-in-memory-computing Regards, Saikat On

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-18 Thread Carbone, Adam
So when I came across Ignite It was described as an In Memory Data Grid So one way to look at this is who do you fashion as Ignite competing against? Are competing against Redis, Aerospike - In Memory Databases Or are you more competing with Gigaspaces - True In memory Compute platform And

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-17 Thread Roman Kondakov
Hello! The word "traditional" here is not about the technology age. It's about using buffer pool like in traditional databases (PG, Oracle, etc). -- Roman Kondakov On 17.09.2020 17:09, Ilya Kasnacheev wrote: Hello! Can you please clarify which databases you refer to when you say

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-17 Thread Ilya Kasnacheev
Hello! Can you please clarify which databases you refer to when you say "traditional distributed databases"? I didn't consider it to be a mature enough field to have tradition. Regards, -- Ilya Kasnacheev чт, 17 сент. 2020 г. в 13:44, Roman Kondakov : > I would not say that Ignite is an

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-17 Thread Stephen Darlington
I think this is a great question. Explaining what Ignite does is always a challenge, so having a useful “tag line” would be very valuable. I’m not sure what the answer is but I think calling it a “database” devalues all the compute facilities. "Computing platform” may be too vague but it at

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-17 Thread Roman Kondakov
I would not say that Ignite is an in-memory database in a general sense of this term. Ignite uses disk-oriented buffer pools (aka page memory) under the hood, which makes similar to traditional distributed databases. See abstract and intro in [1] for detailed explanation of the differences

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-17 Thread Pavel Tupitsyn
Agree with Val, even experienced developers have a hard time understanding what "in-memory computing platform" really does. "distributed memory-first database" is right on point. On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:30 AM Valentin Kulichenko < valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote: > My vote is for the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-16 Thread Valentin Kulichenko
My vote is for the "distributed memory-first database". It clearly states that Ignite is a database (which is true at this point), while still emphasizing the in-memory computing power endorsed by the platform. The "in-memory computing platform" is an ambiguous term and doesn't really reflect

[DISCUSSION] Renaming Ignite's product category

2020-09-16 Thread Denis Magda
Igniters, Throughout the history of our project, we could see how the addition of certain features required us to reassess the project's name and category. Before Ignite joined the ASF, it supported only compute APIs resembling the MapReduce engine of Hadoop. Those days, it was fair to define