Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Florian Effenberger wrote (13-2-2008 10:17) Hi John, "OpenOffice.org 2.4 will be the last version of OpenOffice.org for Microsoft Windows 98 and Me. As these versions of Windows are no longer supported by Microsoft, it is becoming impractical to make sure they will support all the new feature

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi John, "OpenOffice.org 2.4 will be the last version of OpenOffice.org for Microsoft Windows 98 and Me. As these versions of Windows are no longer supported by Microsoft, it is becoming impractical to make sure they will support all the new features planned for OpenOffice.org 3.0 and beyond.

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-12 Thread John McCreesh
Thank you all for your contributions to this discussion. I will go back to Engineering and say that the MP has no objection to their proposal. I am confident they did not make this proposal lightly, and would not have suggested dropping support without serious reason. I suggest we start the co

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-12 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:34:14 -0600, Florian Effenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Could you, please, elaborate? I'm no developer, but keeping code for a 10 year old, ugly operating system consumes a lot of time. If we want to reach a more modern code and architecture, we should dr

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Could you, please, elaborate? I'm no developer, but keeping code for a 10 year old, ugly operating system consumes a lot of time. If we want to reach a more modern code and architecture, we should drop support for it. Florian ---

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-12 Thread Kirill Palagin (Y)
- Original Message From: Florian Effenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:21:20 AM > > >This is not bad, it helps us keeping our code clean and smooth. Could you, please, elaborate? Thanks. -

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, I personally don't think that it is worth the efforts to maintain Win98 compatibility. I'm all in favor of keeping 2.x as the last Win98/WinMe version, providing only security bugfixes as we do with 1.1.5. This is not bad, it helps us keeping our code clean and smooth. Florian -

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Craig A. Adams
Hi John, All, I must support the request from Charles Schultz for more information from the Martin (and the releases list) for more information on the technical challenges of further support for OOo on Windows 98. I personally believe that ongoing Windows 98 support is important from a marketing

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Kirill Palagin (Y)
- Original Message From: Cor Nouws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:37:35 PM >Kirill Palagin (Y) wrote (11-2-2008 20:54) >> I would bet money nothing will be backported, so our users will miss >> some long awaited features and start moving to supported platforms, >>

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws
Benjamin Horst wrote (11-2-2008 21:00) The following link is worth a read to help inform this discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems Windows 98 usage share estimates range from 0.66% to 1.39% (for various surveys from mid-2007 to Feb. 2008): Well, th

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws
Kirill Palagin (Y) wrote (11-2-2008 20:54) I would bet money nothing will be backported, so our users will miss some long awaited features and start moving to supported platforms, including new versions of Windows. So if we stop supporting Win98 we will drive sales for MS. I sure do not want that

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Benjamin Horst
The following link is worth a read to help inform this discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems Windows 98 usage share estimates range from 0.66% to 1.39% (for various surveys from mid-2007 to Feb. 2008): -Ben OpenOffice and open source blog: http:

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Kirill Palagin (Y)
I would bet money nothing will be backported, so our users will miss some long awaited features and start moving to supported platforms, including new versions of Windows. So if we stop supporting Win98 we will drive sales for MS. I sure do not want that. IMO, unless supporting Win98 really req

RE: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Sean W. O'Quin
. > -Original Message- > From: Cristian Driga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:07 PM > To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org > Subject: Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release > > Benjamin Horst wrote: > > If someone has a com

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Cristian Driga
Hi Benjamin, Benjamin Horst wrote: Cristian, You are right that some companies and individuals are still on Windows 98 by necessity. One advantage the OOo community has (as does any FOSS community), is that older versions of OOo will still be available alongside the latest. So for users who

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Benjamin Horst
Cristian, You are right that some companies and individuals are still on Windows 98 by necessity. One advantage the OOo community has (as does any FOSS community), is that older versions of OOo will still be available alongside the latest. So for users who cannot run 3.0, they'll still be abl

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Cristian Driga
Benjamin Horst wrote: If someone has a computer that old, they really should switch it to Linux anyway! :) I still know some small companies for which Win98SE suffices and they still have applications hard to run under Linux. In companies forced to adopt a M$$ license and which have mission

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi, Le 11 févr. 08 à 17:34, John McCreesh a écrit : How do we feel aout this from a Marketing perspective? from that perpective only, I think it would be unreasonnable. I think MS Win98 market share is still higher than Vista or at least comparable. So we should not drop our support of the

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Benjamin Horst
If someone has a computer that old, they really should switch it to Linux anyway! :) I think ending support for Windows 98 will have no negative impact on our marketing. In fact, we could probably spin it to be positive somehow... "our code base is too modern and dynamic to be compatible with p

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, How do we feel aout this from a Marketing perspective? I see no problems with abandoning '98 support. '98 and Me are way out of date and are not being used widely anymore. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Cor Nouws
John McCreesh wrote (11-2-2008 17:34) How do we feel about this from a Marketing perspective? Some thoughts: Not too fine, because I always like to say that one OOo can be used on any (close to) version of windows. That argument becomes a little less valid. OTOH, Win98 is old, and Win98 us

RE: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread Sean W. O'Quin
008 11:34 AM > To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org > Subject: [marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release > > How do we feel aout this from a Marketing perspective? > > Thanks - John > -- > John McCreesh > Marketing Project Lead > OpenOffice.org >

[marketing] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release

2008-02-11 Thread John McCreesh
How do we feel aout this from a Marketing perspective? Thanks - John -- John McCreesh Marketing Project Lead OpenOffice.org Original Message Subject: [releases] Proposal: Drop Win98 support with OOo 3.0 release From:"Martin Hollmichel