Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Oleg Gusakov
Jason van Zyl wrote: On 17-Dec-08, at 9:57 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: Hi, In this thread you are talking about several teams. I'm considering there is only one maven team. If this not the case is there someone who can explain to me which teams we have and who is working in which ?

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
Hi, In this thread you are talking about several teams. I'm considering there is only one maven team. If this not the case is there someone who can explain to me which teams we have and who is working in which ? cheers Arnaud. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Oleg Gusakov

Re: Decoupling from Compilation was: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
Oleg Gusakov wrote: Unit tests were using those jars to compile test code. Just a technical question: Is it actually required/desirable to really compile code during the tests? Over in the Maven core ITs, running the Compiler (or Surefire) Plugin was the classical approach to test

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Arnaud HERITIER
Hi Jason, I know that we have several sub-projects and in parallel we have more people working on it (or more precisely I think we have not really more people but those one are working more because it's part of there job). What I asked was who was in those teams/subprojects to better understand

RE: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Brian E. Fox
- From: Arnaud HERITIER [mailto:aherit...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:58 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533 Hi, In this thread you are talking about several teams. I'm considering there is only one maven team

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 17-Dec-08, at 9:57 AM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: Hi, In this thread you are talking about several teams. I'm considering there is only one maven team. If this not the case is there someone who can explain to me which teams we have and who is working in which ? Obviously there are

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Jason van Zyl
I think Oleg answered the Mercury question: currently himself, Hervé and Ben. On 17-Dec-08, at 2:55 PM, Arnaud HERITIER wrote: Hi Jason, I know that we have several sub-projects and in parallel we have more people working on it (or more precisely I think we have not really more people but

Re: Decoupling from Compilation was: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Le mercredi 17 décembre 2008, Benjamin Bentmann a écrit : Oleg Gusakov wrote: Unit tests were using those jars to compile test code. Just a technical question: Is it actually required/desirable to really compile code during the tests? Over in the Maven core ITs, running the Compiler (or

Re: Decoupling from Compilation was: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-17 Thread Oleg Gusakov
Herve, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: Le mercredi 17 décembre 2008, Benjamin Bentmann a écrit : Oleg Gusakov wrote: Unit tests were using those jars to compile test code. Just a technical question: Is it actually required/desirable to really compile code during the tests? Over in the

sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-16 Thread Oleg Gusakov
Brett, Please don't change the code you don't understand without, at least, consulting people who work on it. I lost entire day between yesterday and today, trying to understand why my unit tests suddenly stopped working. They traced to your commit r725533 which emptied jar files in

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-16 Thread Brett Porter
On 17/12/2008, at 11:03 AM, Oleg Gusakov wrote: Brett, Please don't change the code you don't understand without, at least, consulting people who work on it. I did try... http://markmail.org/message/ifkbjf3rb24z3wvb I have a good understanding of how the code works. Outside of the

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-16 Thread Oleg Gusakov
Brett, Trust me, I don't enjoy this discussion no more that you, but I have to respond. Brett Porter wrote: I'm sorry you lost some time investigating it, but I made every attempt to do this properly. At the time I made the change, I cleaned out the checkout and did a build without

Re: sometimes too much help is not helping - r725533

2008-12-16 Thread Brett Porter
Oleg and I sorted out the misunderstanding offline. It's all good. - Brett On 17/12/2008, at 2:19 PM, Oleg Gusakov wrote: Brett, Trust me, I don't enjoy this discussion no more that you, but I have to respond. Brett Porter wrote: I'm sorry you lost some time investigating it, but I made