RE: Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-16 Thread Barbalace, Richard
As someone who mostly just lurks on the dev list, I did want to comment on Werner's post. I would be very interested in component programming, and I have a fair number of ideas for what I think would make useful and interesting components. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a Google Maps component,

Re: Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-16 Thread Zubin Wadia
I would like two different TLPs: 1. MyFaces Implementation (keeps progressing with the specification's maturity). 2. JSF Component Libraries (whatever their names will be in the future) which work with Sun MyFaces Implementations. Not one. But both. If they only work with MyFaces then there is

Re: Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-16 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
-1 on two TLPs IMO there shouldn't a release of any comp. lib, working only w/ one IMPL Perhaps Tomahawk is to much depending on MyFaces (shared). Trinidad works w/ both. For Tomahawk² we should change the strategy, and use Trin. as the *core* / base ... -M On 3/16/07, Zubin Wadia [EMAIL

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Mike Kienenberger
From what I've seen, I'd agree. Tomahawk has a few good components, but I don't think our architecture is all that special. However, I'd also like us to try to pick up whatever can be done to work better with Tobago. On 3/15/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for doing

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Werner Punz
Mike Kienenberger schrieb: At some point we should discuss what an ideal JSF component framework architecture looks like and whether it's feasible for all of our components to be a part of such an architecture. +1 the at some point probably is now, with the jsf 1.2 transition, people

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On 3/15/07, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've seen, I'd agree. Tomahawk has a few good components, but I don't think our architecture is all that special. Yes, there are some really nice things. Scheduler for instance and also in the sandbox. There are some things in

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Grant Smith
I agree with the philosophy of making Trinidad the Base, and refactoring Tomahawk into it. I've been using Seam a lot in my day job, and the Seam-Trinidad compatibility is more stable than Seam-Tomahawk. A point of contention with the Seam folks is the ExtentionsFilter, which they perceive to be

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Gary VanMatre
From: Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 3/15/07, Mike Kienenberger wrote: From what I've seen, I'd agree. Tomahawk has a few good components, but I don't think our architecture is all that special. Yes, there are some really nice things. Scheduler for instance and also in the

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Mike Kienenberger
Still a huge first step would be a myfaces commons, containing stuff like updateActionlistener and validators/converters. On 3/15/07, Gary VanMatre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think that even moving the validators and converters out would be a big step since they provide client side

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Also one *target* should be getting rid of the extension filter and use an approach like Trinidad document or Tobago's page, where the components (their renderers) register themselfs and put out their resources, like funny javascript. also the common fileupload (done in Tobago Contrib, already).

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Mike Kienenberger
I know very little about Trinidad, but if the primary purpose is to provide javascript and stylesheets, then the document tag could just be like any other tag and put into the HEAD section, yes? And having multiple kinds of these tags should not be a conflict. trinidadResourceProvider/

Re: Trinidad, Tomahawk, Tobago, and RCF [Was: [Proposal] RCF, a rich component library for JSF]

2007-03-15 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
On 3/15/07, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One big concern I have is that we do not go to such an extreme (like Tobago did) that we are no longer compatible with other component sets. Once you start requiring a specific kind of form or document, then you've just made yourself