Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread John Neffenger
On 8/5/19 11:30 AM, Kenneth Fogel wrote: Please suggest any part of NetBeans that makes it superior to Eclipse, IntelliJ or Visual Studio Code. I'm not familiar with Visual Studio Code, but I've used NetBeans, Eclipse, and IntelliJ off and on for years. NetBeans is the only IDE that makes

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 20:29, Tim Boudreau wrote: > Hi, in particular, Jarda, > > I'd posted this on Geertjan's blog, blogs.apache.org/netbeans is not my blog. It is our blog. It is your blog, if you like you can be given admin access to it so you can blog about NetBeans there. Gj but he

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Tim Boudreau
> > However, this is in the NB11.1 plugin centre catalog (not updates) along > with nb-javac isn't it?! No. I actually installed in 11.1, got the url from the plug-ins dialog, downloaded it and opened it in a text editor. I don't know if the ergonomics code that loads it hard codes the URL, or

Re: Specification version is for features; Implementation version to workaround bugs was: Aligning implementation and specification versions?

2019-08-05 Thread Tim Boudreau
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:13 AM Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Lively discussion. I can't pretend I read it all, but... But read the readme on the github site about "deep" mode, which addresses your objection to hashing only method signatures. I think I anticipated your objection. The problem that

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Wow, that java subreddit post is pretty cool for NetBeans. Great work, all of us. Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 23:46, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > There was a post on the java subreddit about the 11.1 release two weeks > ago [0], many good comparisons there. > One often mentioned feature is Project

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Would be great if this problem in dev could be fixed sooner rather than later I think. Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 21:31, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 19:29 Tim Boudreau, wrote: > > > Could we get this thing on the dev build update center? Otherwise it is > > literally impossible

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 8/5/19 2:46 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: Apache is like a peaceful monk monastery. It might even have some retired warriors but does not partake in such wordly affairs. But the monks care for the world and try to make it better... not so much like Hesse's Castalia. We are not playing the Glass

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 8/5/19 1:30 PM, Kenneth Fogel wrote: At Code One this year I will be presenting with Jeanne Boyarsky and Scott Selikoff a session titled Java IDE Wars. I am working on my list of talking points for NB. Please suggest any part of NetBeans that makes it superior to Eclipse, IntelliJ or Visual

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Peter Kovacs
+1 Am 5. August 2019 21:46:24 MESZ schrieb Emilian Bold : >Note that Apache NetBeans is not at war. > >Apache is like a peaceful monk monastery. It might even have some >retired >warriors but does not partake in such wordly affairs. > >Java IDE Wars are something like the world wars. They

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Mario Schroeder
Wise words :-) Emilian Bold schrieb am Mo., 5. Aug. 2019, 21:46: > Note that Apache NetBeans is not at war. > > Apache is like a peaceful monk monastery. It might even have some retired > warriors but does not partake in such wordly affairs. > > Java IDE Wars are something like the world wars.

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Emilian Bold
Note that Apache NetBeans is not at war. Apache is like a peaceful monk monastery. It might even have some retired warriors but does not partake in such wordly affairs. Java IDE Wars are something like the world wars. They happened but the world has changed and violence is done differently now.

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Neil C Smith
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 19:29 Tim Boudreau, wrote: > Could we get this thing on the dev build update center? Otherwise it is > literally impossible to open a Javascript or JSON file in a dev build. > The master branch update centre links are still broken. I was going to put in a PR to fix, with

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
had by far/has by far Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 21:10, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I wonder about the wisdom of Java IDE wars. Anyway, I’d say the unique > features of NetBeans are: > > — NetBeans is simply a GUI on top of the command line, e.g., it is a GUI > on top of the Maven command line

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I wonder about the wisdom of Java IDE wars. Anyway, I’d say the unique features of NetBeans are: — NetBeans is simply a GUI on top of the command line, e.g., it is a GUI on top of the Maven command line where other IDEs have their own abstractions and complexities to force e.g. Maven to work in

Re: Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Mario Schroeder
In my opinion, it is not that NetBeans has a special killer feature (yet). It is the simplicity of the UI. When you start the IDE, you don't feel overwhelmed by so many buttons and options. Kenneth Fogel schrieb am Mo., 5. Aug. 2019, 20:30: > At Code One this year I will be presenting with

Re: Kotlin Support

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Files with a .kt extension have basic syntax coloring support in 11.1. I’d recommend you don’t talk about Kotlin at all in the context of NetBeans until we figure out how to incorporate the donation of the JetBrains Kotlin plugin. Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 20:17, Kenneth Fogel wrote: > In

Code One Java IDE Wars

2019-08-05 Thread Kenneth Fogel
At Code One this year I will be presenting with Jeanne Boyarsky and Scott Selikoff a session titled Java IDE Wars. I am working on my list of talking points for NB. Please suggest any part of NetBeans that makes it superior to Eclipse, IntelliJ or Visual Studio Code. Are there features that

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Tim Boudreau
Hi, in particular, Jarda, I'd posted this on Geertjan's blog, but he requested I post it here instead - re the oracle js parser: The Oracle JS Parser is *not available* in the catalog served by the 11.1 update center (I actually un-gzipped and grepped the update center's catalog file for it to

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Tim Boudreau
> > I was just curious about the theoretical aspect of parsing. Isn't there a > unified parsing API, using ANTLR/lex/yacc which can parse any language > given a grammar for it? Why do we use a different parsing implementation > (like graal js parser in this instance) when a unified approach will

Kotlin Support

2019-08-05 Thread Kenneth Fogel
In preparation for a session for Code One called IDE Wars for which I am responsible for NetBeans (and Visual Studio Code, don't ask me why). There is mention of enhancements in the Other category to syntax colouring and licence information at

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
See: https://github.com/graalvm/graaljs Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 18:21, Siddhesh Rane wrote: > I was just curious about the theoretical aspect of parsing. Isn't there a > unified parsing API, using ANTLR/lex/yacc which can parse any language > given a grammar for it? Why do we use a

Re: Future of Javascript on Netbeans

2019-08-05 Thread Siddhesh Rane
I was just curious about the theoretical aspect of parsing. Isn't there a unified parsing API, using ANTLR/lex/yacc which can parse any language given a grammar for it? Why do we use a different parsing implementation (like graal js parser in this instance) when a unified approach will help us

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans Standalone Java Hints Tool 11.1 [vote candidate 2]

2019-08-05 Thread Kai Uwe Pel
+1 binding Thanks Kai On 8/5/2019 10:12 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: +1 (binding) Thanks for the Maven staging repository. With it in place I was able to fix OracleLabs `mx` tool https://github.com/graalvm/mx/compare/master...JaroslavTulach:Jackpot111 and execute Jackpot on top of

[RESULT] [VOTE] Apache NetBeans maven artefacts for version 11.1 (catch 2)

2019-08-05 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi, The vote has passed with the following result: 3+1binding votes Eric Barboni http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=skygo Jaroslav Tulach http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=jtulach Geertjan Wielenga http://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?uid=geertjan 3+1 vote from community

Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans maven artefacts for version 11.1 (catch 2)

2019-08-05 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
+1 binding Gj On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 11:51, Eric Barboni wrote: > Hi (weekly reminder) > > There are still a PMC binding vote missing. > > Best Regards > Eric > > > -Message d'origine- > De : Eric Barboni > Envoyé : mardi 30 juillet 2019 18:14 > À : dev@netbeans.apache.org > Objet :

RE: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans maven artefacts for version 11.1 (catch 2)

2019-08-05 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi (weekly reminder) There are still a PMC binding vote missing. Best Regards Eric -Message d'origine- De : Eric Barboni Envoyé : mardi 30 juillet 2019 18:14 À : dev@netbeans.apache.org Objet : RE: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans maven artefacts for version 11.1 (catch 2) Hi folks, Still

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans Standalone Java Hints Tool 11.1 [vote candidate 2]

2019-08-05 Thread Eric Barboni
+1 binding Sha + signing ok Regards Eric PS: once release do not forget to remove the old jackpot from incubator dist/dev part -Message d'origine- De : Jaroslav Tulach Envoyé : lundi 5 août 2019 10:12 À : dev Objet : Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans Standalone Java Hints Tool 11.1

Re: Specification version is for features; Implementation version to workaround bugs was: Aligning implementation and specification versions?

2019-08-05 Thread Neil C Smith
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 08:13, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Lively discussion. I can't pretend I read it all, but... :-) > I'd like to remind you that: > - specification version is used to depend on features > - implementation version is used to depend on bug-to-bug compatibility +1 Agreed! Neither

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans Standalone Java Hints Tool 11.1 [vote candidate 2]

2019-08-05 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
+1 (binding) Thanks for the Maven staging repository. With it in place I was able to fix OracleLabs `mx` tool https://github.com/graalvm/mx/compare/master...JaroslavTulach:Jackpot111 and execute Jackpot on top of [graal](http://github.com/oracle/graal.git) repository: graal/truffle$

Specification version is for features; Implementation version to workaround bugs was: Aligning implementation and specification versions?

2019-08-05 Thread Jaroslav Tulach
Lively discussion. I can't pretend I read it all, but... I'd like to remind you that: - specification version is used to depend on features - implementation version is used to depend on bug-to-bug compatibility E.g. use specification version to depend on properly versioned API. Use