Yes, based on everything discussed and agreed here, you’re then in the
clear to use Apache NetBeans as name.
Gj
On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 17:18, Kodewerk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think we just want to take the source, build it, package it and
> distribute it. I don’t believe there is any interest in bui
Hi,
I think we just want to take the source, build it, package it and distribute
it. I don’t believe there is any interest in building derivative works.
But we do have an important question to answer and that is, if we just do that,
are we in the clear?
FYI, this is how Apache JMeter is distro
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:11 AM Neil C Smith wrote:
>
> It's an interesting question then if people configure the build to just
> build the HTML support should we allow that? It is still the unmodified
> released source, so shouldn't be an issue, although we might require some
> sort of labellin
On Fri, 31 May 2019, 09:40 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote:
> So, based on this, if AdoptOpenJDK make no changes at all, but simply aim
> to redistribute the same Apache NetBeans that we release here, they can use
> the 'Apache NetBeans' name. However, they would need to redistribute the
> binary that w
Right, thanks a lot for that reference.
What Kirk is looking at doing via AdoptOpenJDK is: "Free copies of Apache
NetBeans software under the Apache License and support services for Apache
NetBeans are available at AdoptOpenJDK."
Meanwhile, since Emilian has modified Apache NetBeans (added some m
On Fri, 31 May 2019, 09:21 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote:
> I believe so, but cannot confirm with 100% certainty.
>
Is there ever 100% certainty?! :-)
The first example of nominative fair use here appears to cover exactly this
though?
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#guidelines
I assume we
I believe so, but cannot confirm with 100% certainty.
Is there a way we can provide this certainty, i.e., is this something we
can decide ourselves or do we need to have this approved by Apache -- does
anyone know?
Thanks,
Gj
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:12 AM Kodewerk wrote:
> Hi Gj,
>
> Can y
Hi Gj,
Can you confirm that if we don’t modify source that we can just build, package
a distribute?
Kind regards,
Kirk
> On May 30, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
> Yeah, I could be wrong. Maybe rebranding is not needed if indeed the binary
> is made from unmodified sources.
>
Yeah, I could be wrong. Maybe rebranding is not needed if indeed the binary
is made from unmodified sources.
Gj
On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 23:11, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2019, 23:02 Kodewerk, wrote:
>
> > I would personally prefer Apache-NetBeans… but I’ve been told that we
> > neede
On Thu, 30 May 2019, 23:02 Kodewerk, wrote:
> I would personally prefer Apache-NetBeans… but I’ve been told that we
> needed to rebrand.
>
Well, this is the thread I'm thinking of -
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/072862707d0c75ec72f474d696a1addd994055b0c5b7617d3c7403ca@%3Cdev.netbeans.apac
I would personally prefer Apache-NetBeans… but I’ve been told that we needed to
rebrand.
— Kirk
> On May 30, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2019, 18:47 Kodewerk, wrote:
>
>> For example, I believe we can’t call the distro Apache-NetBeans so we’re
>> thinking of cal
On Thu, 30 May 2019, 18:47 Kodewerk, wrote:
> For example, I believe we can’t call the distro Apache-NetBeans so we’re
> thinking of calling it Adopt-NetBeans.
>
While l wouldn't want to stop use of Adopt NetBeans, because it sounds
great, I'm not sure you can't use Apache NetBeans. If I recall
Adopt Netbeans is fine. Because of those developers who want php support
only or html/js.
+1
On Thu, May 30, 2019, 20:32 Josh Juneau wrote:
> I love the idea of the Adopt project distributing NetBeans as
> "Adopt-NetBeans". The AdoptOpenJDK page makes it easy for newcomers to get
> started...a
I love the idea of the Adopt project distributing NetBeans as
"Adopt-NetBeans". The AdoptOpenJDK page makes it easy for newcomers to get
started...and even easier with NetBeans as an option.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:29 PM Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
> “Adopt NetBeans” would not only be a name, i
“Adopt NetBeans” would not only be a name, it would also be a ‘call to
action’. :-)
Gj
On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 19:23, Matthias Bläsing
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 30.05.2019, 09:46 -0700 schrieb Kodewerk:
> > The Adopt project would like to distribute NetBeans but we’ve yet to
> > sort o
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 30.05.2019, 09:46 -0700 schrieb Kodewerk:
> The Adopt project would like to distribute NetBeans but we’ve yet to
> sort out what is needed to make that happen. For example, I believe
> we can’t call the distro Apache-NetBeans so we’re thinking of calling
> it Adopt-NetBeans.
As someone who grew up in South Africa, I think it would be awesome if
there’d be a Zulu IDE, bundled with the Zulu JDK (rebranded and with a few
Zulu-specific modules). :-)
Gj
On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 18:44, Josh Juneau wrote:
> I have been using Azul Zulu JDK for a while now with no issues. Ve
: jueves, 30 de mayo de 2019 11:45 a. m.
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Installers -- making them official for 11.1?
I have been using Azul Zulu JDK for a while now with no issues. Very simple
zip to extract. +1 for targeting Zulu as the free OpenJDK for use.
However, I'm not su
Hi all,
The Adopt project would like to distribute NetBeans but we’ve yet to sort out
what is needed to make that happen. For example, I believe we can’t call the
distro Apache-NetBeans so we’re thinking of calling it Adopt-NetBeans. This
implies that there a number of things we need to alter a
I have been using Azul Zulu JDK for a while now with no issues. Very
simple zip to extract. +1 for targeting Zulu as the free OpenJDK for use.
However, I'm not sure if we could necessarily "Package" it with Apache
NetBeans. If there is an OpenJDK that would be acceptable for packaging
along with
The other problem with .ZIP is that it doesn't preserve permissions bits
for *nix, breaking Maven and several other built-in tools.
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:55 AM mike james
wrote:
> Hi
> I'm new so tell me if I'm doing something wrong/odd.
>
> Can I just say that while experienced programmers
OK, which one?
Gj
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 5:36 PM mike james
wrote:
> Yes go for the installer - important to get new users no question about it.
> And I follow about licencing problem (sometimes I think FOSS licensing is
> also too confusing for mortals).
> But - at least pick one and include
ercial support also available)
> > https://bell-sw.com/java.html
> >
> >
> > Oracle OpenJDK build
> > http://jdk.java.net/
> >
> > SapMachine
> > http://sapmachine.io
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Eduardo Quintanilla
> > Sof
Yes go for the installer - important to get new users no question about it.
And I follow about licencing problem (sometimes I think FOSS licensing is
also too confusing for mortals).
But - at least pick one and include instructions on how to install it.
It doesn't have to be the best or have anythi
NetBeans runs on JDK 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12.
But that's not the point in this discussion. The discussion is about
installers -- and just to save some time here, we cannot bundle the JDK
with NetBeans into an installer and then distribute that installer from
Apache because the JDK is GPL licensed, wh
Hi guys, great job. I follow, but not too good at helping (yet).
JDK 8 would be a good idea I think. Build up asap to latest.Do many use wrote:
OK, let's target beginners. Hmmm which JDK should we focus on? How do
we decide? There's no way to decide, we cannot decide for beginners or
a
OK, let's target beginners. Hmmm which JDK should we focus on? How do
we decide? There's no way to decide, we cannot decide for beginners or
anyone else which JDK they should use. No other tool or IDE can do that
either.
Gj
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM mike james
wrote:
> See I told you
See I told you it was confusing.
I know I'm going on about beginners a lot but you really do need to target
them.
You have got the experienced seasoned user and they aren't going anywhere
unless
there is a really good reason but the future is in the beginner. If they go
off to IntelliJ, Eclipse or
K build
> http://jdk.java.net/
>
> SapMachine
> http://sapmachine.io
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eduardo Quintanilla
> Software Developer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geertjan Wielenga
> Sent: jueves, 30 de mayo de 2019 6:00 a. m.
> To: dev
> Subject: Re: I
http://jdk.java.net/
SapMachine
http://sapmachine.io
Best regards,
Eduardo Quintanilla
Software Developer
-Original Message-
From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: jueves, 30 de mayo de 2019 6:00 a. m.
To: dev
Subject: Re: Installers -- making them official for 11.1?
Sure, though the question
It is exactly this sort of confusion that makes it tougher for beginners to
get started.
I tried to help a beginner recently and I got confuse too :-)
If I remember correctly the old installer checked for an installation and
told you want to do if it didn't find one.
I think the current installer i
Sure, though the question will be 'which JDK'. :-) There's about a dozen of
them right now.
Gj
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:52 PM Patrick Musembi
wrote:
> Can we also provide a link for downloading jdk if there is no jdk installed
> mainly because of non-java developers.
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2019,
Can we also provide a link for downloading jdk if there is no jdk installed
mainly because of non-java developers.
On Thu, May 30, 2019, 13:22 Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Excellent, thank you for this feedback.
>
> More from others, welcome.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:55 AM mike james
Excellent, thank you for this feedback.
More from others, welcome.
Gj
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 11:55 AM mike james
wrote:
> Hi
> I'm new so tell me if I'm doing something wrong/odd.
>
> Can I just say that while experienced programmers have no problems with
> "unzip this" and so on
> NetBeans i
Hi
I'm new so tell me if I'm doing something wrong/odd.
Can I just say that while experienced programmers have no problems with
"unzip this" and so on
NetBeans is a very attractive IDE for the complete beginner and an
installer lowers the barrier to
them getting started with NetBeans in particular
Hi all,
Now that the installer sources are in our GitHub repo:
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/master/nbbuild/installer
...thanks to Reema's work here:
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/1052
Is there anything preventing us from including the installers as
convenience binaries as
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