Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-26 Thread Marcus
Am 03/25/2016 06:12 AM, schrieb Don Lewis: On 17 Mar, Pedro Giffuni wrote: On 03/15/16 13:46, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. It would be rather interesting to compare the buildworld timing. Is it faster to build with

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-24 Thread Don Lewis
On 17 Mar, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > > On 03/15/16 13:46, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> Hello; >> >> I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. >> > > It would be rather interesting to compare the buildworld timing. > > Is it faster to build with gbuild? Perhaps the

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-24 Thread Kay Schenk
On 03/18/2016 08:04 AM, Marcus wrote: > Am 03/18/2016 03:18 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: >> When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what >> I wanted in >> exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. >> >> I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that >>

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-20 Thread donaldupre .
on/board/calendar.html>.) > > - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > > From: donaldupre . [mailto:donaldu...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 00:11 > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Next

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-20 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On 03/15/16 13:46, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello; I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. It would be rather interesting to compare the buildworld timing. Is it faster to build with gbuild? Perhaps the buildbot may give us a hint but we may not know exactly

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-20 Thread donaldupre .
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in > exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. > > We all do... > I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/18/2016 03:18 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Hello; > > I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. > > IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users > as it has no real effect on the binaries but it is significant

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread donaldupre .
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Either someone steps in or we just have a team of people do things. > Holacracy is not a good idea.

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/17/2016 09:00 PM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni: Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I am really, really curious. How would you recommend the hypothetical AOO management hierarchy go about compelling me to do anything? On 3/17/2016 10:41 AM, donaldupre . wrote: Not only it is possible to compel, it is imperative for a viable project. As Stalin once said, "When there's a

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread Don Lewis
On 17 Mar, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> Hello; >> >> I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. >> >> IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users >> as it has no real

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me no longer outweighed the benefit of being able to

AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
e found via <http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html>.) - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: donaldupre . [mailto:donaldu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 00:11 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Next release and gbuild > > On T

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread donaldupre .
In the same way management in your professional experience handled disagreement, disrespect, waste, inefficiency etc. that sometimes happen when people work together. You did offer to learn to be a release manager, it means that some sort of "management" is needed? How someone here suggested

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I have offered, on the PMC mailing list, to learn to be a release manager if necessary or desirable. The more people we have who can do a role, the better the chances of someone being available when needed. However, I would have to function as keeper-of-the-checklist, and depend on everyone

RE: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
the ASF. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: donaldupre . [mailto:donaldu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 05:20 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild) > > In the same way management in your profes

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The common practice at Apache is for a single

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-15 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Hello; > > I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. > > IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users > as it has no real effect on the binaries but it is significant

Next release and gbuild

2016-03-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users as it has no real effect on the binaries but it is significant in improving the build experience. Now, it appears the only thing holding a new