> ahm no, when you read the complete paraghraph...
>
>
> E. What to do in case of doubt?
>
> Decisions of Moderators are subject to review by the PMC and
> anyone who
> feels that a Moderator's discretion was abused can escalate
> by sending
> an email to the PMC at priv...@openoffice.apach
Hi Michael,
On 24/09/14 19:13, RA Stehmann wrote:
On 24.09.2014 10:50, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
[...]
I don't want to protect trolls, but there are different meanings about
how to handle the problem.
I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to dictate me.
I am dictating here nothing.
Ok,
Am 09/26/2014 11:25 AM, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
My question is:
Are the instructions on the following page valid:
http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
They are valid.
If so, then I'll make an official request to the PMC, and
ask t
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
>
>> > My question is:
>> > Are the instructions on the following page valid:
>> > http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>>
>> They are valid.
>>
>> > If so, then I'll make an offici
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> > My question is:
> > Are the instructions on the following page valid:
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>
> They are valid.
>
> > If so, then I'll make an official request to the PMC, and
> ask that the troll will be ban
Jörg Schmidt wrote:
I unfortunately do not understand the situation.
The situation is that a troll is winning because one moderator is (at
least for the sake of this discussion) absent, one prefers other
solutions and other members prefer to frame the issue in terms of policy
and jurisdictio
Hello,
I unfortunately do not understand the situation.
I have here) asked on the list because Michael himself refused for months a
decision. We have discussed the troll problem on the German list often, just
nothing has improved. We have currently discussed by PM and also because
Michael ref
On 24/09/2014 RA Stehmann wrote:
And I'm not willing to ban someone without the accordance of my
co-moderator. There are good reasons, why mailing lists have to have two
moderators.
The good reason in this case is responsiveness: we appoint 2+ moderator
to increase the chances that one is avai
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> > See http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html and if I were the
> But I think the first step is to discuss conduct guidelines and get
> agreement within the German community that these are the terms you
> want to and agree to work with, and t
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:50:58 +0200
Marcus wrote:
> Am 09/24/2014 01:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> >
> > If he makes zero useful posts, just ban him and get rid of the problem.
> > Sure he can register with a new address, and this is why Michael is
> > correct in saying that people should real
Am 09/24/2014 01:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
If he makes zero useful posts, just ban him and get rid of the problem.
Sure he can register with a new address, and this is why Michael is
correct in saying that people should really learn to ignore posts and
not having public discussions on whet
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> RA Stehmann wrote:
>>
>> I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to instruct me.
>> We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address isn't very
>> effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
>> anothe
> From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
> Maybe the troll's name is known, but nobody in the internet knows that
> you are a dog.
I have full administrative access in the forum, I know the email of the Trolls
and I know his IP (at a given time).
So I do not know the real
On 24.09.2014 13:45, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
>
>> We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address
>> isn't very
>> effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
>> another email address.
>
> I explaine
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> If the two of you disagree on how to handle a troll, the
> troll wins, you
> two lose, and the project loses
yes, it is.
The concrete troll harms the list therefore particularly because he does not
tell jokes, but because it gives wron
> From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
> We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address
> isn't very
> effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
> another email address.
I explained very carefully, we are _not_ talking about _any_ t
RA Stehmann wrote:
I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wants to instruct me.
We discussed that topic on the list. To ban an email address isn't very
effective, because that person is able to join the mailing list with
another email address.
If the two of you disagree on how to handle a troll,
On 24.09.2014 10:50, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>> I'm the moderator, Jörg means. The other moderator of that list is
>> Raphael, member of our PMC.
>>
>> I don't want to protect trolls, but there are different meanings about
>> how to handle the problem.
>>
>> I only refuse the way of acting Jörg wa
> From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie]
> It would be helpful if you or Jörg would set out the
> alternatives available.
The correct procedure would be to remove the troll from the mailing list. This
causes no disadvantage, because the troll does not contribute to OpenOffice.
Justifi
> -Original Message-
> From: RA Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:14 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Which project Instance has jurisdiction in disputes?
>
> On 24.09.2014 09:33, Jörg Sch
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:14:06 +0200
RA Stehmann wrote:
> On 24.09.2014 09:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > What is the situation?
> > On one of the project mailing lists (users...@openoffice.apache.org), a
> > moderator refuses to act against a troll.
> >
> To make things clear:
>
On 24.09.2014 09:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What is the situation?
> On one of the project mailing lists (users...@openoffice.apache.org), a
> moderator refuses to act against a troll.
>
To make things clear:
I'm the moderator, Jörg means. The other moderator of that list is
Raphael
Hello,
What is the situation?
On one of the project mailing lists (users...@openoffice.apache.org), a
moderator refuses to act against a troll.
The problems have been discussed several times and there is no doubt that this
is a troll. The troll disturbs the mailing list since 2 years.
The tro
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