On 22 February 2010 13:17, SteveC wrote:
> Was that meant to disagree or agree with what I said or what?
Everyone keeps complaining that OSB is the wrong approach, it will
create too much work, but no one has any proof of what will happen,
and current bugs listed aren't much of a guide because th
On Feb 21, 2010, at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/2/21 SteveC :
>> Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a
>> stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we
>> need these easier tools to build the map.
>
>
> thing is that you can't b
we went to download a map of the world at a low zoom level 2 (which just
showed continents and most country boundaries) yet the download size was
huge - there wasn't any buttons or options to reduce the data levels -
personally I thnk based on the scale, the data should be reduced
accordingly o
2010/2/21 SteveC :
> Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish
> around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need these easier
> tools to build the map.
thing is that you can't build a crowd-sourced map when missing the
crowd. There is no "easy" sh
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 01:09, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 22:30, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
>
> > We were discussing maybe moving over to Git in #osm and I thought I'd
> > do a quick conversion just to show how easy it is:
> >
> > http://github.com/avar/openstreetmap-website
> >
> >
I just did a svn/googlecode to git/github import for Cartagen:
github.com/jywarren/cartagen/
and ran this perl script to import issues. It worked pretty well, could be
adapted to trac:
http://gist.github.com/101002
jeff
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Chris Browet wrote:
> For what it's wort
For what it's worth, you have my full support regarding moving to git. I was
considering making a merkaartor clone to gitorious myself, SVN seems so
limited when you start working with git or bazaar from multiple branches.
As for myself, I like bazaar because the learning curve seems easier coming
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 00:09, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 22:30, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote:
>
>> We were discussing maybe moving over to Git in #osm and I thought I'd
>> do a quick conversion just to show how easy it is:
>>
>> http://github.com/avar/openstreetmap-website
>>
>> Here ar
On 21/02/10 22:30, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> We were discussing maybe moving over to Git in #osm and I thought I'd
> do a quick conversion just to show how easy it is:
>
> http://github.com/avar/openstreetmap-website
>
> Here are the commands you need to execute to convert it yourself:
On 21 Feb 2010, at 15:09 , SteveC wrote:
> The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left
> because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more
> than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
>
I can't agree or disag
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 00:09, SteveC wrote:
> The problem with your analysis is pretty simple -
> maybe those people left because the site was
> crap, not because they inherently don't like adding
> more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
OSM, the website, the
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left
because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more
than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more.
On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
> Instead of whin
Instead of whining about the good and and and the ugly of osm.org and Potlatch
and speculating some stats who is contributing to osm
# Planet + daily diff from 2010-02-20
total users, with > 0 objects in a planet file: 66949
total users, with > 10 objects in a planet file: 42450
# North America
We were discussing maybe moving over to Git in #osm and I thought I'd
do a quick conversion just to show how easy it is:
http://github.com/avar/openstreetmap-website
Here are the commands you need to execute to convert it yourself:
http://wiki.github.com/avar/openstreetmap-website/subver
Hi folks,
On Dom 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
> 2) enter problem
> 3) click ok
I think an easy feedback system is great. And I like the idea of "exposing
bugs".
For this I think it would be essential to coordinate a bit and prepare in an
explicit manner workflo
On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC wrote:
... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
finish the mythical Potlatch
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC wrote:
>>> ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
>>> something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
>>> finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and
>>> lives on a boat
Hi,
Tim Teulings wrote:
> Searching the web I found natural earth data, which offers most of this, but
> since I would like to use OpenStreetMap data and in fact it in another
> project already used it I would like to get my data from OSM if possible.
Use the Natural Earth data, really. It is
Hello!
(ah, another german :-)).
>> I have not yet found a more
>> convinient way than downloading a planet.osm
> You may want to query the XAPI for the relevant data
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi
"Unlike the main API which restricts queries to 0.25 square degrees, XAPI
allows mu
Hello!
> Because of you "Gruß", I guess you are speaking german. Try:
Yes (Bonn) :-)
> http://www.geofabrik.de/data/download.html
This as far as I know does not give me the required information. It contains
extras of the planet.osm by country (and partly smaller). So if I want the
position
Because of you "Gruß", I guess you are speaking german. Try:
http://www.geofabrik.de/data/download.html
Marco
Tim Teulings schrieb:
> Hello!
>
> For a Open Source project idea of mine I need vector data (with a good
> enough resolution to display a country on screen, so no high resolution
>
> I have not yet found a more
> convinient way than downloading a planet.osm
You may want to query the XAPI for the relevant data
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi
Peter
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On 21/02/10 17:03, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 16:50, Richard Weait wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> If you look at http://maps.compton.nu/ which is my personal site you'll
>>> see that I've been playing with doing exactly that for the permalink ;-)
>>
>> To
Hello!
For a Open Source project idea of mine I need vector data (with a good
enough resolution to display a country on screen, so no high resolution
stuff) for
* Continent borders (earth shape)
* Country borders (together with country name)
* Country capitals with position and name
* Big (well
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>>
>> Hi, you've never done a UI review.
>>
>> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study
>>
>> Money quote:
>>
>> "Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing
>> interface. Despite users’ overall exciteme
SteveC wrote:
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up,
>> quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem?
>>
>
> Hi, you've never done a UI review.
>
> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_U
John Smith wrote:
> On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote:
>
>> Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
>> encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
>>
>
> While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I
> don't think OSM's website is at the
SteveC wrote:
> Well I'll go further.
>
> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
>
> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
> 2) enter problem
> 3) click ok
>
> the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should
> get that from the bbox or center
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
> ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
> look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
> most people is useless. a comment "footways are missing in this park" doesn't
> help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to survey
Sam Vekemans wrote:
> Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient.
Only if you want to talk to people either in your own time zone or are
night workers.
Talk@ communicates ideas with all people all over the globe.
Cheers
Dave F.
On 21/02/10 16:50, Richard Weait wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
>
>> If you look at http://maps.compton.nu/ which is my personal site you'll
>> see that I've been playing with doing exactly that for the permalink ;-)
>
> Tom, this is wonderful. Having the correct "per
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 11:17, Stefan Breunig wrote:
>> While at it OpenLayers' handling of different map styles should be
>> integrated into this central place instead of the additional zoom button
>> in the upper right corner. Same for perma/shortlink, al
On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote:
> How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up,
> quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem?
Hi, you've never done a UI review.
http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study
Money quote:
"Ever
On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Robert Funnell wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
>
>> ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write
>> something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to
>> finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
>
>> 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_.
>> Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it.
>> But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make
As there are two sorts of problems - 'easy fix' ones ("There is a bank
here", "This road is Clifton Road, not Clifton Avenue etc.") and the 'hard'
ones ("this road is also part of NCN Route 17" or "there is a road missing
here"), maybe we need two solutions?
OpenStreetBugs is pretty good for the h
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Kai Krueger wrote:
>> the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should
>> get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I
>> think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the
>> bugs.
>
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
>
>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>>> SteveC wrote:
Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
>>>
>>> So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
>>> opens
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:05 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote:
>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>>> SteveC wrote:
http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
>>>
>>> Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com servi
On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>>
>> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
>>
>> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
>> 2) enter problem
>> 3) click ok
>>
>
> ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
I will.
> look at openstreetbugs
On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote:
> Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
> encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I
don't think OSM's website is at the point where some granny can just
quickl
Hi Apollinaris - At this point, I am referring primarily to GNS data (
http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html). I am very familiar with the
data. Sections of the data are very good and ought to be considered for
import into OSM. Are you familiar with the GNS?
Dave
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:
Hi,
Great mockup ! I think we absolutely need a "get direction" as an
alternative to the search box. This is probably on of the first thing why
people are using maps :), to see how to go from anywhere to anywhere else.
Why to keep the ratio of the map ? rather than to link dynamicaly the bottom
e
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote:
> ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually
> write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream
> at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he
> doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's
On 21 February 2010 21:35, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Now we can either adopt a "free-for-all" approach where we encourage
> everyone to leave their feedback without spending 10 seconds on
> understanding how this map is generated, and then have a lot of work in
> post-processing (explaining to people
Hi Kai,
Nice work on this. Some comments below.
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> importing large quantities of data (e.g. a country extract or the whole
> planet) into the postgres api schema is quite slow. The import of a
> planet on the dev server has been run
> > It's not that bad actually. There are basically two classes of bugs:
> > those that can be fixed immediately ("The name of this street is spelled
> > wrong", "This xxx doesn't exist anymore"), and those that require
> > someone to go out and actually look at the situation there and record
> > G
Hi,
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
> ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
> look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
> most people is useless. a comment "footways are missing in this park" doesn't
> help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to s
On 21/02/10 11:17, Stefan Breunig wrote:
> For example, the search result currently pop up left of the map which is
> a sensible thing to do. In the mockup, feedback is presented as layer-ad
> which I strongly believe sucks UI wise, but that's another rant. Maybe
> routing will be integrated, or a
On 21 Feb 2010, at 2:32 , Marc Schütz wrote:
> Am Sonntag 21 Februar 2010 09:55:40 schrieb Apollinaris Schoell:
>>> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
>>>
>>> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
>>> 2) enter problem
>>> 3) click ok
>>
>> ok and then? who will pic
> http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
Hello everyone,
I agree with Steve that the current design is neither the most beautiful
nor best UI I've seen. While I like new design better, I believe it
elides some of the core issues which are being extendible and having a
cent
On 21 February 2010 20:32, Marc Schütz wrote:
> IMO, OSB is already working quite well as it is. If we can integrate it more
> prominently into the OSM website, the better.
OSB has an easy/simple set of web API calls, so you don't even need to
point people at the OSB website.
The downside is if/
Am Sonntag 21 Februar 2010 09:55:40 schrieb Apollinaris Schoell:
> > openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
> >
> > 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
> > 2) enter problem
> > 3) click ok
>
> ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
> look at openstreetbugs and mo
On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
> 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_.
> Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it.
> But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to
> use if we can expose a sim
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, SteveC wrote:
>
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
...
>
> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
Fixing openstreetbugs "crappy ui" and integrating it into the main page
seems like the better way to go in this case rathe
On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> SteveC wrote:
>>> Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-)
>>
>> So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating
>> openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations?
>
On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> SteveC wrote:
>>> http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg
>>
>> Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have,
>> I am extremely sceptical about using it
>
> openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be
>
> 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem'
> 2) enter problem
> 3) click ok
>
ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it?
look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from
most people is useless. a
One idea is to leverage IRC power, by having an international channel,
where any language is permitted.
And people can respond & live translate, and people can get their answer.
Having this IRC weblink directly on the feedback box will help a great deal.
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