Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-04 Thread Tom Hughes
On 04/12/14 12:06, Andreas Labres wrote: On 04.12.14 12:33, Tom Hughes wrote: So in other words, most of things we already factor in to our spam scoring... We're just not quite as rigid. A (hidden) spam score is bad (IMO). Nobody sees it, almost nobody can test it. Nothing is hidden: https:

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Labres
On 04.12.14 12:33, Tom Hughes wrote: > So in other words, most of things we already factor in to our spam scoring... > We're just not quite as rigid. A (hidden) spam score is bad (IMO). Nobody sees it, almost nobody can test it. A documented "user level" with documented rules would make much more

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-04 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/12/14 16:14, Andy Allan wrote: However, spam is an arms race, and I think we might need a different long-term approach. I know in the past using 3rd-party spam filtering services was too expensive (and not really very OSM-ish either). The main such system is akmiset and I'd love to use i

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-04 Thread Tom Hughes
On 04/12/14 11:17, Andreas Labres wrote: On 03.12.14 17:14, Andy Allan wrote: Thanks for the analysis, I hope it provides developers with ideas for combatting it via the automated spam filters that we already have[1]. I'd suggest to extend/refine the automated filter somewhat. Say: * a "novic

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Labres
On 03.12.14 17:14, Andy Allan wrote: > Thanks for the analysis, I hope it provides developers with ideas for > combatting it via the automated spam filters that we already have[1]. I'd suggest to extend/refine the automated filter somewhat. Say: * a "novice" ist not allowed to post at all * a "no

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Antje <2...@minoa.li> wrote: > There’s another suspicious post at > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Medyum%20Y%C4%B1lmaz%20Eren%20Hoca/diary/28134, > which is Turkish. > > I personally prefer an increase in human blog moderators. I agree. It's usually pretty obv

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Antje
There’s another suspicious post at http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Medyum%20Y%C4%B1lmaz%20Eren%20Hoca/diary/28134, which is Turkish. I personally prefer an increase in human blog moderators. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.op

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Andy Allan
On 3 December 2014 at 16:33, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > First, right now there's only a single person who can remove spam from > diary entries or profiles. Not strictly true - any user with site administrator priviledges can remove spam - see my previous link to the code. There are multiple peopl

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/12/14 16:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: maybe we could have a crowd-sourced approach and introduce a "spam"-flag that logged-in users could set, i.e. another button in the "comment", "reply" line which says something like "flag as spam", with a counter, and if more than x people have click

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I think the solution to this is actually pretty simple and straightforward. First, right now there's only a single person who can remove spam from diary entries or profiles. Allowing other people (such as existing site moderators) to address this would go a long way. Second of all, we need a fla

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Andy Allan
On 3 December 2014 at 16:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > maybe we could have a crowd-sourced approach and introduce a "spam"-flag > that logged-in users could set, i.e. another button in the "comment", > "reply" line which says something like "flag as spam", with a counter, and > if more than x

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-03 17:14 GMT+01:00 Andy Allan : > Thanks for the analysis, I hope it provides developers with ideas for > combatting it via the automated spam filters that we already have[1]. > > However, spam is an arms race, and I think we might need a different > long-term approach. I know in the past

Re: [OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Andy Allan
On 3 December 2014 at 15:46, Andrew Hain wrote: > A spammer is periodically posting messages in Chinese to the User Diaries. Thanks for the analysis, I hope it provides developers with ideas for combatting it via the automated spam filters that we already have[1]. However, spam is an arms race,

[OSM-dev] Chinese spam diaries, an analysis

2014-12-03 Thread Andrew Hain
A spammer is periodically posting messages in Chinese to the User Diaries. These diaries follow a distinct pattern: 1. Reading machine translations, the messages advertise a variety of products and services that are against the law. This may be to attract people who would be reluctant to contact t