Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Dakota Jack
Comparing JSF to JSP, FTL, PDF, XLST is comparing apples and oranges. That is like comparing Struts to PDF. Ridiculous! On 6/21/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/21/06, Juan Ara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The point is, provide an easy way to do things with JSF in a plugable > fas

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 6/21/06, Juan Ara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The point is, provide an easy way to do things with JSF in a plugable fashion: use it or not, use it our way or not, but if you use it our way, well... there must be any benefit! Yes, it's always been a technical problem. We accepted Shale as a St

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Dakota Jack
Shale has come close to ruining Struts, might as well use it to finish the job. On 6/21/06, Juan Ara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The reason there are both Action and Shale frameworks is because we > didn't know how to support JSF in Action. We're finally starting to > make some headway on t

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Juan Ara
The reason there are both Action and Shale frameworks is because we didn't know how to support JSF in Action. We're finally starting to make some headway on that score. Now what do we need to do to finish the job? If the job is finished, then is someone up to "showing us the code" by driving th

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
Ted, as I was afraid, you are unfortunately, interpretting wrongly my message. RoR is not about dumb-distro, nor my intention/hope to have something very simple in the Java world. As for we can built different distributions and things like this: I would definitely try to be objective: we are doin

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 6/21/06, Alexandru Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First of all I am not sure why so many thread forked from the initial discussion. This will make a lot more difficult to figure out what was already said, and towards what conclusion we are moving. Because the thread introduced two differ

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 6/21/06, Alexandru Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you think this can be done with the big-package-solves-everything approach, than I am oke with it. Hmmm, you can have both. If people are interested in RoR simplicity, then why not create an Action-on-Rails distribution that configures

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
And to clarify something that I might not have expressed well: I am not against unifying everything, but to me it looks it will be a lot much harder to make things very simple for the users. If you think this can be done with the big-package-solves-everything approach, than I am oke with it. ./a

Re: SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Alexandru Popescu
First of all I am not sure why so many thread forked from the initial discussion. This will make a lot more difficult to figure out what was already said, and towards what conclusion we are moving. For your comments my answer is simple: that's exactly the opposite of what and how RoR has gain it

SAF2 JSF Support (was Re: Does Struts ...)

2006-06-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 6/21/06, Alexandru Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: WebWork has tried to adapt to this new approach proposed by RoR. And it was nice to see it. We may have a few more ideas to make it even simpler in the near future. But this will not work with the big-solve-all approach. I think what Don