Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread pancake
maybe one day, someone will look at dmc

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread markus schnalke
[2013-06-10 18:12] Michael Stevens > > Are there any mail clients that don't suck? You might want to have a look at mmh. It's far from perfect, but it does some things quite well. http://marmaro.de/prog/mmh http://marmaro.de/docs/master meillo btw: If someone likes to write an MH storage vi

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:18:50PM +0200, Uli Armbruster wrote: > * Andrew Hills [10.06.2013 19:20]: > > On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:12:57 +0100 Michael Stevens > > wrote: > > > Are there any mail clients that don't suck? > > > > Mutt for CLI, Claws Mail for GUI. I don't think either of them suck. >

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 09:43:40AM +0200, pancake wrote: > maybe one day, someone will look at dmc I looked and went "this doesn't seem to work". I approve of the basic idea. Specifically my attempts to ls after setting up an account just do: mstevens@ceres:~/dmc/doc % dmc -c ls -(out)-> (null)

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:35:33PM +0300, Edgaras wrote: > As for alternatives, for some time I have tried heirloom mailx, which is > really > cli application, seems to have considerably smaller footprint. Though > interfaces is a bit rough, and since it seems it uses less(no?) caching its at > le

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Truls Becken
On 2013-06-10, at 21:35, Edgaras wrote: > Also Christop/__20h__ is working on some mail client that sounded quite nice > and interesting from the description, but afaik it is not yet available(?). I've heard Christoph mention this, but never seen a description. Do you have a link? -Truls

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread pancake
yep, its development is totally stalled and nobody is spending any minimal effort to enhace it. it works, for pop3, imap and smtp support via msmtp. But, like swk, if no one shows interest on it, there's probably no reason to continue developing it. what sucks of dmc is the lack of feedback and

[dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Rémy Lefevre
Hi, I experience today a problem with Virtualbox and DWM. I have two monitors connected to my PC. Toggling the screen in Virtualbox (Host + Home then View -> VirtualScreen -> HostScreenX) in full screen mode has no effect. So Virtualbox stays on the primary screen and not switch to the second one.

Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Jacob Todd
Did you compile dwm with xinerama enabled? On Jun 11, 2013 6:54 AM, "Rémy Lefevre" wrote: > Hi, > > I experience today a problem with Virtualbox and DWM. I have two monitors > connected to my PC. Toggling the screen in Virtualbox (Host + Home then > View -> VirtualScreen -> HostScreenX) in full s

Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Rémy Lefevre
I think so. XINERAMALIBS and XINERAMAFLAGS are set and passed respectively in LIBS and CPPFLAGS in the file config.mk as it is by default. Should I do something else ? 2013/6/11 Jacob Todd > Did you compile dwm with xinerama enabled? > On Jun 11, 2013 6:54 AM, "Rémy Lefevre" wrote: > >> Hi, >>

Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Chris Down
On 11 Jun 2013 12:19, "Rémy Lefevre" wrote: > > I think so. XINERAMALIBS and XINERAMAFLAGS are set and passed respectively in LIBS and CPPFLAGS in the file config.mk as it is by default. Should I do something else ? > > > 2013/6/11 Jacob Todd >> >> Did you compile dwm with xinerama enabled? >> >>

Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Rémy Lefevre
Here is the result of ldd dwm: linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7fffc1bf5000) libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x7f4b30baa000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x7f4b3086f000) libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x7f4b3066c000) /lib/ld-linux

Re: [dev][sbase][PATCH v2] Various fixes, add renice command.

2013-06-11 Thread Lorenzo Cogotti
Hi, Il giorno Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:14:50 -0500 "Galos, David" ha scritto: > The only useful changes to nice here are the move of usage, which is > more stylistically consistent with the rest of the source, and the > proper POSIX return value. > > I was under the impression that this project incl

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
Good software is not measured in number of patches either. Only create software that you would want to use yourself, everything else is a waste of time.

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Alex Pilon
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:35:33PM +0300, Edgaras wrote: > Well mutt is niceish, but not suckless. (well at something like 20MB > of ram In what state? Stripped, idle and no configuration (~5mb shared+resident)? With a connection (let's add TLS on top too for more overhead) opened to some remote s

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Jun 11, 2013 3:20 PM, "Alex Pilon" wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:35:33PM +0300, Edgaras wrote: > > Well mutt is niceish, but not suckless. (well at something like 20MB > > of ram > > In what state? Stripped, idle and no configuration (~5mb > shared+resident)? With a connection (let's ad

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Silvan Jegen
> There is isync ( http://isync.sourceforge.net/) , which appears to be a > saner implementation of OfflineIMAP's idea. I use isync with mutt and it works quite well. I think I may try to use it with nmh/mmh next and see whether that combination is even better.

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Nick
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 09:18:43AM -0400, Alex Pilon wrote: > Any body know of a suckless method of using IMAP mostly > offline/disconnected? Offlineimap sucks and is brittle. I use mbsync in several places and it works very well, and is a good deal simpler and more reasonable than offlineimap or

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Silvan Jegen wrote: > I think I may try to use it with nmh/mmh next and see whether that > combination is even better. Isync only supports Maildir for local storage, while nmh uses mh format, so they are incompatible. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Nick wrote: > I use mbsync in several places and it works very well, and is a good > deal simpler and more reasonable than offlineimap or isync. >From what I gather isync is a wrapper around mbsync, which is only used to provide configuration file stability. -- D

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Andrew Hills
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:09:10 +0200 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Only create software that you would want to use yourself, everything > else is a waste of time. This is bad advice, perhaps just because, like most snappy mantras, it's a gross oversimplification of reality. Some non-developers ne

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Nick
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 02:06:10PM +, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Nick wrote: > > I use mbsync in several places and it works very well, and is a good > > deal simpler and more reasonable than offlineimap or isync. > > From what I gather isync is a wrapper aroun

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Dmitrij Czarkoff wrote: > Isync only supports Maildir for local storage, while nmh uses mh > format, so they are incompatible. I thought nmh's inc command would be able to convert maildir into the nmh format and save it to a mail directory of your choosing for use

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Peter A. Shevtsov
On 11/06/13 at 09:18am, Alex Pilon wrote: > Any body know of a suckless method of using IMAP mostly > offline/disconnected? Offlineimap sucks and is brittle. I'm quite happy with fdm[1]. [1] http://fdm.sourceforge.net/ -- Peter A. Shevtsov

[dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Markus Teich
Heyho, is there a particular reason for using (f)cgi scripts to serve a purely static website? Wouldn't plain html suck less? --Markus

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Jacob Todd
No, not having a website would suck less.

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Silvan Jegen wrote: > I thought nmh's inc command would be able to convert maildir into the > nmh format and save it to a mail directory of your choosing for use > with nmh. If that's not the case I will have to rethink my approach. I'm not sure whether inc indeed

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Andrew Hills
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:11:03 -0400 Jacob Todd wrote: > No, not having a website would suck less. Not having a website would suck more... signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
On 6/11/13, Andrew Hills wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:09:10 +0200 hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Only create software that you would want to use yourself, everything >> else is a waste of time. > > This is bad advice, perhaps just because, like most snappy mantras, > it's a gross oversimplif

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
For example because people didn't want to worry about having to update stuff that gets included on multiple pages.

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
But how often does stuff actually get updated? You can simply pregenerate all the content and serve it... For a site with 50 pages, that's nothing. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > For example because people didn't want to worry about having to update > stuff th

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
I really don't give a shit. The real question is why is FastCGI "suckless" approved. It's a pretty shitty and complicated protocol for what it does, especially when compared to SCGI. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > _who gives a shit_ > > For a site with 50 pages, fcgi

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Calvin Morrison
_who gives a shit_ For a site with 50 pages, fcgi is nothing. On 11 June 2013 11:59, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote: > But how often does stuff actually get updated? You can simply pregenerate > all the content and serve it... For a site with 50 pages, that's nothing. > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
i don't know anything about fastcgi or "suckless", I thought you just asked why we use any CGI at all.

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
werc itself doesn't tell anyone to use fastcgi. stupid suckless.

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:26:17 +0200 Truls Becken wrote: > On 2013-06-10, at 21:35, Edgaras wrote: > > > Also Christop/__20h__ is working on some mail client that sounded quite nice > > and interesting from the description, but afaik it is not yet available(?). > > I've heard Christoph

Re: [dev][sbase][PATCH v2] Various fixes, add renice command.

2013-06-11 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:29:48 +0200 Lorenzo Cogotti wrote: > If you like it more with ARGBEGIN/ARGEND, I'm fine with it, I > personally saw no reason to use ARGBEGIN and ARGEND macros when getopt > is standard, tested and works just fine, but if that isn't the case, > then I'll modify i

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:30:36 +0200 Markus Teich wrote: > is there a particular reason for using (f)cgi scripts to serve a purely > static website? > Wouldn't plain html suck less? If you volunteer to do implement this, contact me. For now suckless.org is still using the werc remnan

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Calvin Morrison
alright if we are dreaming and scheming... Why not have static pages which are all within a git repository? When there is a change pushed to the server, a git hook could run the re-generate script to recreate the static files in the appropriate directories with the headers and such. Calvin On

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Markus Teich
http://shebang.ws/fugitive-readme.html seems to do exacty that. It might be worth looking into. --Markus Am 2013-06-11 18:45, schrieb Calvin Morrison: alright if we are dreaming and scheming... Why not have static pages which are all within a git repository? When there is a change pushed to t

[dev] [sbase] 64-bit type for split

2013-06-11 Thread Galos, David
In my implementation of split, the ability to split files into rather large chunks is important. However, c89 does not provide a 64-bit int type by default. Although I could manually emulate 64-bit counting, a uvlong would be far cleaner. Is there a suckless-approved way of using such an integer in

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
get a job. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > alright if we are dreaming and scheming... > > Why not have static pages which are all within a git repository? When > there is a change pushed to the server, a git hook could run the > re-generate script to recreate the static

Re: [dev] [sbase] 64-bit type for split

2013-06-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Galos, David dixit: >On GNU systems stdint.h still provides uint64_t, but I have no idea >how portable this is. is C99. bye, //mirabilos -- 17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so 17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig 17:10⎜«Vutral» aber auch traurig;

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit: >But how often does stuff actually get updated? You can simply pregenerate >all the content and serve it... For a site with 50 pages, that's nothing. FWIW, the MirBSD website is kept in CVS and generated with some (BSD) make and mksh scripts, then rsync’d to a webserver

Re: [dev] [sbase] 64-bit type for split

2013-06-11 Thread Galos, David
Right, but '-ansi -pedantic' is strictly C89. GCC doesn't complain, but I could imagine there being trepidation around using a C99 header in a C89 environment (where it is not required). 2013/6/11 Thorsten Glaser : > Galos, David dixit: > >>On GNU systems stdint.h still provides uint64_t, but I ha

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Alex Pilon
> On 11/06/13 at 09:18am, Alex Pilon wrote: > > Any body know of a suckless method of using IMAP mostly > > offline/disconnected? Offlineimap sucks and is brittle. > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 06:55:19PM +0400, Peter A. Shevtsov wrote: > I'm quite happy with fdm[1]. I would be, were it not capable o

Re: [dev][sbase][PATCH v3] Various fixes, add renice command.

2013-06-11 Thread Lorenzo Cogotti
This commit adds the renice command and its man page, it also introduces some fixes: * Makes nice command more solid, it also makes it respect POSIX return values. * Fixes estrtol, which produced a misleading error on out of range errors. * Fixes chgrp.1 NAME section. --- Makefile | 1 + c

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Dmitrij Czarkoff
On Jun 11, 2013 5:30 PM, "hiro" <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just because I do indeed have empathy with this stupid planet's > population I'd rather have people stop writing software commonly made > for other people or for another greater good. Nobody needs software to > fuck up their lives that muc

Re: [dev] (s)werc and the suckless.org homepage

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
>>On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:36 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ > > And yes, this is *also* valid for eMail. Did you try to give an example of how not to quote? I don't get it.

Re: [dev] mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread Andrew Gwozdziewycz
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Alex Pilon wrote: > > On 11/06/13 at 09:18am, Alex Pilon wrote: > > > Any body know of a suckless method of using IMAP mostly > > > offline/disconnected? Offlineimap sucks and is brittle. > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 06:55:19PM +0400, Peter A. Shevtsov wrote: > >

Re: [dev] Re: mail clients

2013-06-11 Thread hiro
> That said, for the software of equal interest both to programmers and the > rest of computer users, the very fact that developer doesn't use own product > should hint that this product should not be used by the others. sounds fair. btw, sorry for making people philosophize so much about software

Re: [dev] DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Bryan Bennett
Is dwm displaying a mirror of the first screen on the second? I saw this behavior and just resorted to using xsetroot rather than fixing my X config.

Re: [dev] [sbase] 64-bit type for split

2013-06-11 Thread Rob
Interesting mix of top- and bottom-posting. I'll not disturb it. Anyway, 1999 was 14 years ago. I think uint64_t is the least of our worries if we're porting to some exotic architecture where gcc can't at least emulate a 64-bit integer. I mean even tcc has a runtime library for that. On Tue, Jun

[dev] Re: DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Rémy Lefevre
Bryan Bennett gmail.com> writes: > > Is dwm displaying a mirror of the first screen on the second? I saw > this behavior and just resorted to using xsetroot rather than fixing > my X config. > > No, dwm is not displaying a mirror. I used xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of LVDS1 to change that. S

[dev] [st] [patch] ARGB background for st-0.4.1

2013-06-11 Thread Eon Seob Jeon
Hi. I've made a short patch that enables semi-transparent background for st-0.4.1. The same mechanism should work with recent commits. Some important notes: 1) This changes background opacity only. 2) The color designated by "defaultbg" are modified during the initialization, so you should add

[dev] [st] [patch] ARGB background for st-0.4.1

2013-06-11 Thread Eon S. Jeon
Hi. I've made a short patch that enables semi-transparent background for st-0.4.1. The same mechanism should work with recent commits. Some important notes: 1) This changes background opacity only. 2) The color designated by "defaultbg" are modified during the initialization, so you should add an

Re: [dev] Re: DWM - Multiple screen not recognized in Virtualbox

2013-06-11 Thread Bryan Bennett
Xrandr. It was a long day...