Re: [b2g] Merging dev-gaia and dev-b2g into dev-fxos

2015-08-27 Thread Kevin Grandon
+1 - thanks for taking care of that. Less mailing list friction = one less confusing thing for contributors. Seems like we should also merge IRC channels into #fxos? On Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:48 AM, Michael Henretty mhenre...@mozilla.com wrote: Hello people of Firefox OS,

Re: [b2g] Cannot download keyboards/dictionaries anymore

2015-08-25 Thread Kevin Grandon
Unfortunately I can't project the feature with an integration test because the entire flow requires Internet download and our test bots can't access network. I don't think this should happen again though. The homescreen and system app both use a mock HTTP server[1] to download and install

Re: [b2g] PSA: add-ons changes are coming

2015-08-06 Thread Kevin Grandon
Is it by chance possible to maintain support for the old format for a time to give developers a chance to transition existing addons into the new format? Best, Kevin On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Fabrice Desré fabr...@mozilla.com wrote: Hi all, Work is ongoing to share the same add-on

Re: [b2g] Propose to deprecate SettingsListener.observe(), at least in System app

2015-07-25 Thread Kevin Grandon
2) Races, start-up races everywhere This seems easy to fix by having the observer return a promise, and wrapping it with .then(). 3) It hides lock management from the caller I personally feel that getting rid of the library is going to create more races. I think the helper library is a nice

Re: [b2g] Module Owners Wiki Update

2015-07-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
EragonJ 36gasolin 36Kevin Grandon 26ian-liu 15Yura Zenevich 13Staś Małolepszy 12Manuel Casas Barrado 11Zbigniew Braniecki 9Pavel Ivanov (I like having lots of peers where possible, so I'm totally fine introducing Yura

Re: [b2g] Enable web components via a field in the manifest

2015-07-03 Thread Kevin Grandon
The only problem I see with this is that the web components implementation is definitely going to change, and will guarantee breakage of most web components usage with the current implementation. I would say that we should wait until we have an implementation which will not break in the future now

Re: [b2g] Using a shallow B2G clone for faster download times and reduced storage requirements

2015-05-12 Thread Kevin Grandon
Gabriele - This looks really great, thanks for the tip! It seems like needing the history of things pulled in by config.sh would be the exception, and not the norm. How do you feel about making this the default? Best, Kevin On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Gabriele Svelto gsve...@mozilla.com

Re: [b2g] ZTE OPEN C Bricked! Help

2015-05-11 Thread Kevin Grandon
Kumar - did you flash a flame base image on the open C? I don't think you're supposed to do that, but I don't know these devices too well. Can you send the link of the documentation where you read that? Is there anything interesting in logcat? Best, Kevin On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Kumar

Re: [b2g] B2G build creating desktop build

2015-05-11 Thread Kevin Grandon
Which base image did you install on the flame before flashing Gecko? Best, Kevin On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:57 PM, rnicole...@mozilla.com wrote: I'm building gecko on OSX 10.9.5 for a flame. My workflow is: ./config.sh flame-kk ./build.sh gecko ./flash.sh gecko The build succeeds yet the

Re: [b2g] NEXUS-5-L now is based on 5.1

2015-04-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
Sorry about the blank post, still learning how to use lists apparently. Question - is it possible to flash an image using the b2g flash tool? Any reason I would need to flash Android first if upgrading from a KK flash? Best, Kevin On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Kevin Grandon kgran

Re: [b2g] NEXUS-5-L now is based on 5.1

2015-04-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Shawn Huang shawnjoh...@gmail.com wrote: NEXUS-5-L now is based on 5.1. Please flash Android LMY47D image first then Firefox OS, if you only auto-update gecko. ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org

Re: [b2g] screenshots

2015-03-12 Thread Kevin Grandon
I believe this was changed to holding the power button + volume down for a short while. Some devices only have a software home button so this needed to change. Best, Kevin On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras jema...@openmailbox.org wrote: Hello there , I am using

Re: [b2g] Firefox OS IoT

2015-02-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
Hey Jan, What you're doing with janOS is great, and it's great to see some experimentation with IoT. I love hacking on hardware, so I'd like to see us do *something* with FxOS and hardware. +1 to what Gabriele said though. I'm curious about what the advantages are of building your own dev board

Re: [b2g] Can we deprecate packaged apps?

2015-01-30 Thread Kevin Grandon
Do we really want to fully deprecate packaged apps? I think making hosted apps and packaged apps equals is a big win, but I'm not sure if fully deprecating packaged apps is a good idea. There are many developers who like the ability to not run and maintain a server. It's simply less work and

Re: [b2g] ZTE Open C - Small fonts when manually flashing device

2015-01-21 Thread Kevin Grandon
It also sounds like the user is trying to flash the flame-kk images to a ZTE Open C? It seems like that might cause problems as well. Best, Kevin ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g

Re: [b2g] Polish Team 2015

2015-01-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
So do we have to import the calendar every time you add/change an event? Should we get this added to the public FirefoxOS calendar instead? Best, Kevin On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Christopher Lord cl...@mozilla.com wrote: Hello folks, TL;DR: Office hours meeting, Friday, 4:00pm-6:30pm

Re: [b2g] RequestSyncAPI

2015-01-05 Thread Kevin Grandon
So now the other question, is there any advantage of using mozAlarms over sync? Should mozAlarm usage be deprecated? Best, Kevin On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Michael Henretty mhenre...@mozilla.com wrote: Thanks for

Re: [b2g] RequestSyncAPI

2015-01-05 Thread Kevin Grandon
/2015 03:16 PM, Kevin Grandon wrote: So now the other question, is there any advantage of using mozAlarms over sync? Should mozAlarm usage be deprecated? The semantics are very different. Why should we need to care about network status to ring an alarm in the morning? RequestSync will replace

Re: [b2g] Hardware enable/disable switch and mozSettings, a complication and solution

2014-12-29 Thread Kevin Grandon
Just curious, would this be a non-issue if we stored more information than just a boolean? What if we stored additional information say, in JSON? Have we thought about using datastore? As we've seen in the past moving stuff into gecko can be a slippery slope, so we should definitely think this

Re: [b2g] Lightning talks at Portland

2014-12-02 Thread Kevin Grandon
Just an update that this meeting has been moved to Thursday at 5:00pm. This should give us some more time to plan, and find a mic to use. Sign up on the etherpad: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/PDX-engineering-lightning-talks Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Kevin Grandon kgran

[b2g] Lightning talks at Portland

2014-11-30 Thread Kevin Grandon
Have something you've been working on, something you want to work on, or an idea you want to talk about? We'll be holding lightning talks on Tuesday at 5:00pm at the Mariott. Sign-up here for a guaranteed spot: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/PDX-engineering-lightning-talks Best, Kevin

Re: [b2g] Gaia is CLOSED

2014-11-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
Gaia is closed again as of this morning for Gij bustage. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098155 Getting Gij unhidden is our top priority right now, and it's getting close. This should avoid these closures in the future. Best, Kevin ___

[b2g] Gaia is OPEN Was: Gaia is CLOSED

2014-11-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
The problems are fixed now, so we should be good to go. These fixes haven't propagated to m-c builds yet, so gaia-try will still show red builds. I'd recommend rebasing in a few hours once b-i merges to m-c. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com

Re: [b2g] reference phone improvements

2014-11-12 Thread Kevin Grandon
Question for those who are complaining about taking screenshots. What version of the phone are you using? I've noticed that on 2.2 (and probably 2.1), the new delay makes it a much more deliberate action. It just seems that we can solve this through software, and I think we may have already

Re: [b2g] Mulet - New desktop runtime

2014-11-11 Thread Kevin Grandon
The idea of the DESKTOP=1 helpers was that they provide some basic API shims that were not available on Firefox Nightly before. I am sure that there are still some shims that we want to mock in the new simulator, we should probably just go through and check them one by one. For now though, it

Re: [b2g] WebIDE with custom b2g-desktop builds

2014-10-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
Doh! I think the failing tests in 2.1 could totally be my fault. I added support for the SHB in b2g desktop and I don't think it made it into v2.1 =/ https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/commit/c0de5b317b23e9b28bde156efe9c8c0fa6745025 It's a small-ish patch, so maybe we could make an allowance

Re: [b2g] Severe bustage on latest B2G master nightly

2014-10-02 Thread Kevin Grandon
Not sure if it's releated, but installing a master OTA update to my dogfood flame this morning totally bricked my device. It doesn't boot and ADB doesn't come up. I'm going to re-install the base image now and see if I can reproduce. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Kartikaya

Re: [b2g] Severe bustage on latest B2G master nightly

2014-10-02 Thread Kevin Grandon
I have logs after all, probably a weird cable. I think I'm seeing the seeing the same issue as bug 1075401, so not related to the APZ issue. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com To: Kartikaya Gupta kgu...@mozilla.com Cc: mozilla-dev

Re: [b2g] Please update your Flame to the new base image

2014-09-29 Thread Kevin Grandon
The main issues I have noticed with the v180 base image are pretty bad. 1 - No fonts when we had previous base images which had fonts bundled. 2 - Engineering apps are installed by default - this is not ideal for end users because a lot of them can not be removed. I think that these are P1

Re: [b2g] Please update your Flame to the new base image

2014-09-29 Thread Kevin Grandon
...@gmail.com To: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com Cc: Asa Dotzler a...@mozilla.com, mozilla-dev-...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:01:28 AM Subject: Re: [b2g] Please update your Flame to the new base image But Kevin, Flame devices are not intended for end users, actually as a base

Re: [b2g] Gaia is breaking in nightly

2014-09-27 Thread Kevin Grandon
Hi, This is currently being tracked here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1070830 It seems a lot of people still rely on this environment, so I'll try to get someone looking at it this week. We might want to see if in the meantime we can use aurora or beta. Best, Kevin -

Re: [b2g] mozSettings API refinement proposal

2014-09-26 Thread Kevin Grandon
Hi Alive, This sounds good to me. Looking at the pull request, it looks like we have yet additional API wrappers only living in the system app, which I would prefer to avoid if possible. I would like to first see if we can augment the settings API, and if we do something in gaia, I think we

Re: [b2g] Unable to launch Gaia in Firefox nightly

2014-09-22 Thread Kevin Grandon
Let's take this to a bug. I've filed one to track this here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1070830 Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Kumar Rishav rishav...@gmail.com To: SPorwal shraddhapor...@gmail.com Cc: mozilla-dev-...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Sunday, September

[b2g] New air.mozilla channel for FirefoxOS videos/meetings

2014-09-18 Thread Kevin Grandon
We now have a fully-functioning air.mozilla.org channel to upload videos or host meetings. Currently we just have a few of the weekly gaia engineering meetings listed there, and will continue to record these into the future. You can find the channel here:

Re: [b2g] New air.mozilla channel for FirefoxOS videos/meetings

2014-09-18 Thread Kevin Grandon
: Dietrich Ayala auton...@gmail.com To: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com Cc: dev-b2g dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org, dev-gaia dev-g...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:01:32 PM Subject: Re: New air.mozilla channel for FirefoxOS videos/meetings That's awesome, thanks Kevin

[b2g] Aurora is closed

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Grandon
Since today's uplift, B2G emulator dep builds (regular per-push builds) are running and passing tests. However, *nightly* builds are a sea of orange. So this mostly likely comes down to build config differences between dep builds and nightly builds. Aurora is closed until the cause of this is

Re: [b2g] [Follow up] B2G smoketests dashboard

2014-08-19 Thread Kevin Grandon
Thanks Johan! Very nice dashboard, and great presentation today. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Johan Lorenzo jlore...@mozilla.com To: dev-g...@lists.mozilla.org, dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:11:13 PM Subject: [Follow up] B2G smoketests dashboard

Re: [b2g] Gaia building is failing or bricked

2014-07-28 Thread Kevin Grandon
that to be Nightly everywhere, since it probably has a better chance of running at any given point than Firefox 3 versions back. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com wrote: It's never been officially supported, but we try to fix it when possible :) We need tests, but we also

Re: [b2g] Low-memory code paths

2014-07-28 Thread Kevin Grandon
Sounds good to me. This is actually exactly what we do for the home screen. We have two different profiles, one with 'high' capabilities, and one with 'low'. Low capability devices are defined with anything less than 512mb of memory.

Re: [b2g] Smoketest Regressions on Trunk are Out of Control

2014-06-03 Thread Kevin Grandon
Having a tree closure in the last week to FL is super painful. It certainly adds a lot of risk to the vertical homescreen and other features. What is the criteria to get the tree re-opened? Is it resolving all of the mentioned bugs? Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Anthony

Re: [b2g] Smoketest Regressions on Trunk are Out of Control

2014-06-03 Thread Kevin Grandon
@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:56:17 AM Subject: Re: [b2g] Smoketest Regressions on Trunk are Out of Control On 03/06/14 17:39, Kevin Grandon wrote: Having a tree closure in the last week to FL is super painful. It certainly adds a lot of risk to the vertical homescreen and other features

[b2g] Trunk is broken, avoid updating if you can.

2014-06-01 Thread Kevin Grandon
Just wanted to send a note to let you know that current trunk is broken, so maybe avoid updating gecko for a little bit. I've been pinged a few times offline and didn't see an update, so thought it'd make sense to notify everyone. A fix is in the works and is being tracked in bug 957086. Best,

Re: [b2g] Prevent app from being killed

2014-05-22 Thread Kevin Grandon
Could you potentially use mozAlarms to wake your app up in case it gets closed? This is what we do for calendar to synchronize events with the server. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/WebAPI/Alarm Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: porschekoe...@googlemail.com To:

Re: [b2g] Responses not getting in Firefox OS app

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin Grandon
What response do you see when you navigate to this in the browser app? Localhost could be giving you some problems ;-) Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Santosh Shingare cherishsant...@gmail.com To: mozilla-dev-...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:14:06 PM Subject:

Re: [b2g] Let's fix updates

2014-04-15 Thread Kevin Grandon
+1. If you follow any kind of social media you'll know we've been getting slammed over poor support for updating certain devices. The more power we have over this the better. Regarding moving apps from certified - privileged, I think this will be a big win and will allow us to move quite a few

Re: [b2g] What a sheriff is...

2014-04-07 Thread Kevin Grandon
Thanks for the reminder David. I think it would definitely help sheriffs and our tree if we all followed these backout procedures. Gaia moves extremely fast, and we often see conflicts when backing things out. Gaia developers are probably the best suited to handle these conflicts. We can

Re: [b2g] Tree is still Closed

2014-02-20 Thread Kevin Grandon
Just sending out an update in case you're not following the bug. The tree is still closed - ouch. We have been fixing tests, and handling the npm timeout issue. The last remaining issue is a mystery gecko regression that causes tests to stop running, and travis to timeout. This comment from

Re: [b2g] Gaia Try Server for TBPL

2014-02-14 Thread Kevin Grandon
Just saw that this was sent to dev-b2g when it is likely more relevant to dev-gaia. Also - I thought we were merging these lists anyway? Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Jonathan Griffin jgrif...@mozilla.com To: dev-b2g dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014

Re: [b2g] Gaia Try Server for TBPL

2014-02-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
This is amazing! This will save us tons of time debugging and testing, thanks for the effort! Also for devs who like git, I always push to try using moz-git-tools, and it makes it super easy (never need to tough HG). https://github.com/mozilla/moz-git-tools Best, Kevin - Original

Re: [b2g] Proposal: Cracking down on arbitrary Javascript exceptions

2014-01-15 Thread Kevin Grandon
+1 to killing all the errors. It may be nice if some day our core apps, could run in other environments, but I think that is such a low priority that a single css error in the logs should trump all of that. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Fabrice Desré fabr...@mozilla.com To: Julien

Re: [b2g] Orientation sensor not working.

2014-01-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
Most of our apps don't, but browser, camera, gallery, and video should support landscape mode to an extent. Nice going media apps :) Now let's catch up with the rest of them. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Julien Wajsberg jwajsb...@mozilla.com To: A. Crespo

[b2g] Details on hardware composer?

2014-01-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
Hey Guys, Can anyone provide details on hardware composer? I'm having to provide quite a bit of support for people (just telling people that they need to disable the preference when things get crazy). It seems to behave pretty poorly on the helix and keon devices. Any information I can relay

Re: [b2g] Details on hardware composer?

2014-01-13 Thread Kevin Grandon
...@codeaurora.org To: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com Cc: Dev B2G List dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:57:29 PM Subject: Re: [b2g] Details on hardware composer? I can help you out. Is there anything in specific you’d like to know? What kind of problems are seen in helix

Re: [b2g] The Gaia repos and their suitability for FxOS

2014-01-09 Thread Kevin Grandon
I'm not really sure how the mirroring works, but all of our work is done on github and mirrored over to HG. I can tell that most of those branches on HG look to be old feature branches, that are no longer needed. So perhaps we're missing the part where we prune removed branches in github?

Re: [b2g] dev.b2g and dev.gaia redundancy?

2013-12-04 Thread Kevin Grandon
So Tim had some concern for having a gaia only channel. If we do merge to dev-fxos, then all of this would happen over dev-fxos (and people who normally focus on platform features may get a lot of email that they aren't necessarily interested in). I am personally ok to receiving more FxOS

Re: [b2g] Enabling CSS will-animate for b2g only

2013-12-03 Thread Kevin Grandon
I don't have much to add except this seems like much better syntax than what we are forced to do in Chrome for layer promotion (adding -webkit-transform: translateZ(0); for example). As long as there is some path forward for the open web I'm happy with it. Are we not going to prefix it with

Re: [b2g] I may have broken your B2G desktop workflow

2013-11-20 Thread Kevin Grandon
an empty list of networks when called on b2g desktop. Best, Kevin - Original Message - From: Dale Harvey d...@arandomurl.com To: Jonathan Watt jw...@jwatt.org Cc: Kevin Grandon kgran...@mozilla.com, dev-b2g dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org, mozilla-dev-...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Wednesday

[b2g] I may have broken your B2G desktop workflow

2013-11-19 Thread Kevin Grandon
can also tie this stuff into travis/TBPL and run gaia ui tests on different consumers of `desktop` targets to ensure things don't break. Please let me know if you have any concerns/questions. Best, Kevin Grandon ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g

Re: [b2g] logging doesn't work inside an app

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Grandon
Hi, This is currently being tracked here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896523 Looks like there hasn't been a recent update, but I'll try to track down Paul and ask nicely :) In the meantime you can try using dump() statements to log to standard out, or launching the SMS app

Re: [b2g] -moz-apperance input radio/checkbox

2013-08-22 Thread Kevin Grandon
Additionally this would be really nice to have for select elements: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649849 We currently have some really nasty workarounds for this in gaia. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Ismael González igonzaleznico...@gmail.com To: B2G Dev List

Re: [b2g] Touch support in B2G desktop?

2013-07-17 Thread Kevin Grandon
Yeah, pointer events definitely seem like the winner in the long term. For now, I would imagine that we'll be using touch events in gaia apps for a few reasons: 1 - It helps with testing. 2 - It should be more performant on the devices because we don't need to provide shims. 3 - They'll work on

Re: [b2g] Japanese keyboard layout ?

2013-05-03 Thread Kevin Grandon
It appears that there actually is a semi-working Japanese keyboard if you enable the keyboard.layouts.japanese setting. It looks like a solid start, but needs a bit of polish before we could enable it for production looks like. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Mounir Lamouri

Re: [b2g] Welcome Hema Koka!

2013-04-22 Thread Kevin Grandon
for their platform products. She is quite technical and hands-on as well as a great mentor building winning teams. Bob Moss, James Lal, Kevin Grandon and I have all had the pleasure of working with her on multiple projects seeing her deliver quality products. She will initially be managing

[b2g] Copy/paste experiments

2013-04-09 Thread Kevin Grandon
. Best, Kevin Grandon ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g

Re: [b2g] Gaia hacking without building

2013-03-22 Thread Kevin Grandon
navigate to individual apps via domain. E.g., calendar.gaiamobile.org, or communications.gaiamobile.org. There's also a plugin which will make the system app work: https://github.com/KevinGrandon/Firefox-OS-Runtime/ Best, Kevin Grandon - Original Message - From: wiratama dc wiratama

Re: [b2g] Thoughts on icon fonts?

2013-03-19 Thread Kevin Grandon
Initially I would start only with building blocks, and expand as possible. The primary action and media icon sets are probably the place to start. These are all flat icons and would be good candidates for an icon font. This would give us ~100 icons and should cover almost all of building

[b2g] Thoughts on icon fonts?

2013-03-18 Thread Kevin Grandon
for components/apps which should take advantage of the icon font. I'd love to hear what you guys think of this approach. Thanks, Kevin Grandon ___ dev-b2g mailing list dev-b2g@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g