Re: Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/16/15 11:33 PM, Mike Taylor wrote: Will we ever run into the same problems with unprefixing rAF raised on blink-dev[1]? I see 932322 was partially backed out and 943958 seems to describe the `var requestAnimationFrame = window.requestAnimationFrame` problem. Mike, Thank you for checking

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-16 Thread Jeff Gilbert
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 2015-07-15 6:47 PM, Jeff Gilbert wrote: > >> "Arg warts improve backtracking for debugging" >> Regardless of the validity of "Arg warts help illustrate information >> flow", the use-case of backtracking to 'origin' of aFoo is also >> unc

Re: Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Mike Taylor
On 7/16/15 19:08, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Web compat impact for mozRequestAnimationFrame/mozCancelAnimationFrame: Not known for sure, but expected to be small to none. Pretty much any real-life web code that uses this API will also used the unprefixed version or at worst fall back to setTimeout/set

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Eric Shepherd
Agreed. This is about how we feel about a spec, its content, and the design of its API, not about if or when we will get around to implementing it. That's also something worth capturing, but they're not the same data points at all. Eric Shepherd Sr. Technical Writer Mozilla Blog: http://www.bits

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 2015-07-16 9:21 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Benjamin Kelly >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> FWIW, I've sent an intent to implement for the Streams API, but I won't >>> be >>> able to actually start work until

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-07-16 9:21 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Benjamin Kelly wrote: FWIW, I've sent an intent to implement for the Streams API, but I won't be able to actually start work until Q4. I just listed that as "favorable" for now. Not sure if we need a clearer "we i

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Martin Thomson
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Benjamin Kelly wrote: > > > FWIW, I've sent an intent to implement for the Streams API, but I won't be > able to actually start work until Q4. I just listed that as "favorable" > for now. Not sure if we need a clearer "we intend to implement this but > just haven

Re: Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/16/15 9:04 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 7/16/15 8:34 PM, Kyle Huey wrote: There are a handful of uses in Gaia. Oh, gah. I keep forgetting gaia's on a separate mxr repo. I'll get together a pull request. Good catch. Actually, I just looked, and I had in fact checked on those and decide

Re: Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/16/15 8:34 PM, Kyle Huey wrote: There are a handful of uses in Gaia. Oh, gah. I keep forgetting gaia's on a separate mxr repo. I'll get together a pull request. Good catch. -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-16 Thread R Kent James
On 7/14/2015 8:23 AM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: > Aww, I was avoiding getting into this thread. > ... > The argument I am most sympathetic to is that this convention is a > barrier to new contributors. Making new contributors productive, both > employees and volunteers, is a very good reason to cho

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Benjamin Kelly
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Anthony Ricaud wrote: > Regarding "in progress|favorable|not favorable|no opinion", I think >> that we don't need to be opinionated about features we aren't >> implementing unless we have a firm commitment not to implement the >> feature. Here I'm thinking variou

Re: Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Kyle Huey
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > Tracking bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909154 > > APIs to be removed: mozRequestAnimationFrame, mozAnimationStartTime, > mozCancelAnimationFrame. > > As of today, they are not used in our tree. > There are a handful of u

Intent to unship: Prefixed mozRequestAnimationFrame and related APIs (mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame)

2015-07-16 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Tracking bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909154 APIs to be removed: mozRequestAnimationFrame, mozAnimationStartTime, mozCancelAnimationFrame. As of today, they are not used in our tree. Web compat impact for mozRequestAnimationFrame/mozCancelAnimationFrame: Not known for su

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-16 Thread Chris Pearce
On 7/15/2015 3:23 AM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: Given that premise, we shouldn't just change aArgument; we should adopt the Google C++ style guide wholesale: * names_with_underscores * members_with_trailing_ * no more ns prefix I used this style in a personal project, and I quickly came to

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Anthony Ricaud
On 16/07/15 21:51, Martin Thomson wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Anthony Ricaud wrote: In order to get accurate data and update it regularly, we need your help. Please go to the following etherpad and insert any information that can help us: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/gecko-web-plat

Re: New requirement for tier 1 platforms: working assertion stacks

2015-07-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Ehsan Akhgari schrieb: Is someone signing up to do the work to keep the working on all tier 1 platforms now? I know it's not a platform, but does JIT conflict with this? Ion JIT stack are not walkable in any way that the stackwalker understands... (Actually, I do not know of any way to even d

Re: Unprefixed CSS and DOM properties (across browser vendors)

2015-07-16 Thread Eric Shepherd
Karl Dubost wrote: > I would love to know if we have an "always up to date" list features state > for Firefox/Gecko. Both caniuse and MDN are giving the information on when > the prefixless version has been introduced but never when/if the prefix has > been dropped. For what it's worth, this is

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Martin Thomson
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Anthony Ricaud wrote: > In order to get accurate data and update it regularly, we need your help. > Please go to the following etherpad and insert any information that can help > us: > https://etherpad.mozilla.org/gecko-web-platform-dashboard That's a fairly clum

Re: Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-07-16 3:26 PM, Anthony Ricaud wrote: Potch and I are working on a website to present Mozilla's point of view on various web platform features. Other browsers have similar websites [1] [2] [3]. This project has been in lingo for a while so, to get it out the door, we're going to focus on o

Collecting web platform features implementation status

2015-07-16 Thread Anthony Ricaud
Potch and I are working on a website to present Mozilla's point of view on various web platform features. Other browsers have similar websites [1] [2] [3]. This project has been in lingo for a while so, to get it out the door, we're going to focus on one information: what is Mozilla's opinion o

Re: Unprefixed CSS and DOM properties (across browser vendors)

2015-07-16 Thread Jet Villegas
This is the bug I filed to capture the unprefix list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775235 Having our dev-tools alert for deprecated syntax would be very helpful. +cc dev-developer-tools for feedback. --Jet On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Karl Dubost wrote: > Hello, > (mostly

Re: Unprefixed CSS and DOM properties (across browser vendors)

2015-07-16 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-07-16 1:05 AM, Karl Dubost wrote: Hello, (mostly for people of DOM and CSS) tl;dr: A list of unprefixed properties where the prefixed version has been dropped. Context: A feature has 4 states (or at least my impression): 1. No support 2. prefixed only support (MozFoo and -moz-bar) 3.

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-16 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 16 July 2015 at 14:36, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > As far as I can tell, neither of the above are things that another UA can > hook into. Am I correct in my understanding here? > I asked about that for Chrome Custom Tabs, a Googler told me there's an API so that other browsers can create the equi

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-16 Thread Martin Thomson
This sounds like a good idea. On Jul 15, 2015 10:10 PM, "Jonas Sicking" wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jan-Ivar Bruaroey > wrote: > > This means it will throw TypeError on set of: MediaSource objects, Blob > > objects, and File objects, for now. > > For what it's worth, I think imple

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-16 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-07-15 6:47 PM, Jeff Gilbert wrote: "Arg warts improve backtracking for debugging" Regardless of the validity of "Arg warts help illustrate information flow", the use-case of backtracking to 'origin' of aFoo is also unconvincing, since you'd only need to go back once more than previously

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-16 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2015-07-16 8:17 AM, Benjamin Francis wrote: Exactly. We can no longer talk about "merging the web and native" as some potential future thing that may or may not happen. It is already happening: 1. Android's Chrome Custom Tabs will keep users in native apps when following external hype

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-16 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 16 July 2015 at 01:44, Robert O'Callahan wrote: > As long as platforms exist with homescreens and other inventories of > "installed apps", of which the browser is one, it seems worthwhile to me to > support adding Web apps to those inventories so they're peers of native > apps instead of havin

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-16 Thread WaltS48
On 07/16/2015 01:16 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: Hi Am 16.07.2015 um 00:47 schrieb Jeff Gilbert: On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Zimmermann mailto:tzimmerm...@mozilla.com>> wrote: The discussion has a number of good points in favor of using 'a', but I missed convincing a