Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:17:11PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Kathleen Wilson: Unless it is technically constrained as described in section 9 of the policy. Unfortunately, a conforming implementation of PKIX validation makes name constraints useless as a security feature (see bug

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-25 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:49:59PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Kurt Roeckx: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:17:11PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Kathleen Wilson: Unless it is technically constrained as described in section 9 of the policy. Unfortunately, a conforming

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-22 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/22/14, 9:38 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 08:50:02AM -0700, Kathleen Wilson wrote: But really, since the websites and code signing trust bits are not enabled, the hierarchy is already essentially constrained -- NSS would give an exception for path validation of an SSL or

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-22 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/21/14, 5:02 PM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/21/14, 2:54 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 12:12 pm, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/20/14, 9:53 AM, Rick Andrews wrote: Ryan, they're not, but the root is not trusted for SSL (via meta-data). AFAIK, Firefox won't trust any SSL cert

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:48:56AM -0700, Ryan Sleevi wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 10:44 am, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/22/14, 9:38 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: As far as I know there is also no standard format to indicate those trust bits together with the certificate. This currently

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-22 Thread Rick Andrews
On Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:22:17 AM UTC-7, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:02 PM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/21/14, 2:54 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 12:12 pm, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/20/14, 9:53 AM, Rick Andrews wrote: Ryan, they're not, but the root

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-21 Thread Kathleen Wilson
Hi Rick, Please see item #3 of https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:CertificatePolicyV2.1#Frequently_Asked_Questions -- 3. How do I technically constrain a subordinate CA certificate that will only be used to issue end-user certificates intended for client authentication? For the subCA certificate to

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-21 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/21/14, 2:54 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 12:12 pm, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/20/14, 9:53 AM, Rick Andrews wrote: Ryan, they're not, but the root is not trusted for SSL (via meta-data). AFAIK, Firefox won't trust any SSL cert chaining to it. Will Chrome? -Rick

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-20 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/19/14, 9:40 AM, Rick Andrews wrote: Kathleen, that means we'll be disclosing a number of intermediates used to sign certificates that are not used for SSL, Code Signing or Mail (the three trust bits that Firefox lets me view/edit). For example, we issue a lot of client auth certs from

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-20 Thread Kathleen Wilson
On 5/20/14, 11:08 AM, Kathleen Wilson wrote: On 5/19/14, 9:40 AM, Rick Andrews wrote: Kathleen, that means we'll be disclosing a number of intermediates used to sign certificates that are not used for SSL, Code Signing or Mail (the three trust bits that Firefox lets me view/edit). For

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-19 Thread Rick Andrews
Kathleen, that means we'll be disclosing a number of intermediates used to sign certificates that are not used for SSL, Code Signing or Mail (the three trust bits that Firefox lets me view/edit). For example, we issue a lot of client auth certs from our public roots. Based on your previous

Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-14 Thread Kathleen Wilson
All, In response to the CA Communication, I have received the following question. Question: Please clarify Action #5: Do you expect public disclosure of all subordinate CA certificates, or just those issued to third parties? Answer:

RE: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-14 Thread Jeremy Rowley
@lists.mozilla .org] On Behalf Of Kurt Roeckx Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:37 PM To: Kathleen Wilson Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 01:08:12PM -0700, Kathleen Wilson wrote: All, In response to the CA

Re: Question about disclosing subCA certs

2014-05-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 02:40:12PM -0600, Jeremy Rowley wrote: She's clarified in the discussion thread that it is all SubCAs chained to the a CAs root certificate that must be disclosed, regardless of who controls the private key. Right, reading the text again it looks like any certificate