Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-05 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 04/04/2018 04:16, Matt Palmer wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 03:16:53AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: On 03/04/2018 02:35, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 02:11:07AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: seems to be mostly justified as a poor

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-03 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 03:16:53AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 03/04/2018 02:35, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 02:11:07AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via > > dev-security-policy wrote: > > > seems > > > to be mostly justified as a poor workaround for the browsers

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 03/04/2018 02:35, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 02:11:07AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: seems to be mostly justified as a poor workaround for the browsers and certificate libraries not properly implementing reliable revocation checks. The problem is not in

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 02:11:07AM +0200, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > seems > to be mostly justified as a poor workaround for the browsers and > certificate libraries not properly implementing reliable revocation > checks. The problem is not in the libraries, or even the

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
: Alex Gaynor; Tim Hollebeek; MozPol Subject: Re: 825 days success and future progress! In past discussions, the proposal was 1 year to 2 years, and 1 year to 1 year after that. We're now at the midway point, so it seems appropriate to discuss how to get shorter. On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3

RE: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Buschart, Rufus via dev-security-policy
orlife] From: Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] Sent: Montag, 2. April 2018 21:16 To: Buschart, Rufus (GS IT HR 7 4) Cc: Alex Gaynor; Tim Hollebeek; MozPol Subject: Re: 825 days success and future progress! In past discussions, the proposal was 1 year to 2 years, and 1 year to 1 year after that.

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
alf Of Alex > Gaynor via dev-security-policy > Sent: Montag, 2. April 2018 20:51 > To: Tim Hollebeek > Cc: MozPol > Subject: Re: 825 days success and future progress! > > Hi Tim, > > I'd have suggested an even shorter period, say 13 months, except I > anticipated

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
b...@digicert.com> > *Cc:* Alex Gaynor <agay...@mozilla.com>; MozPol < > mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org> > *Subject:* Re: 825 days success and future progress! > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-polic

RE: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Buschart, Rufus via dev-security-policy
ufus.busch...@siemens.com www.siemens.com/ingenuityforlife -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+rufus.buschart=siemens@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Alex Gaynor via dev-security-policy Sent: Montag, 2. April 2018 20:51 To: Tim Hollebee

RE: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
gt; Cc: Alex Gaynor <agay...@mozilla.com>; MozPol <mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org> Subject: Re: 825 days success and future progress! On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy <dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org <ma

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > 18 months is not significantly different from 825 days. So there's really > no benefit. > So it sounds like you're supportive of 13 months, then, so that we arrive at an

RE: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
To: Tim Hollebeek <tim.holleb...@digicert.com> Cc: MozPol <mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org> Subject: Re: 825 days success and future progress! Hi Tim, I'd have suggested an even shorter period, say 13 months, except I anticipated CAs would object that it was too great

Re: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Alex Gaynor via dev-security-policy
Hi Tim, I'd have suggested an even shorter period, say 13 months, except I anticipated CAs would object that it was too great a change too suddenly, precisely as they did when this subject was last discussed! While I appreciate that changing BRs can be difficult for customer communications, the

RE: 825 days success and future progress!

2018-04-02 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
18 months is not significantly different from 825 days. So there's really no benefit. People have to stop wanting to constantly change the max validity period. It's difficult enough to communicate these changes to consumers and customers, and it really drives them nuts. I can only imagine what