RE: Mozilla Policy Requirements CA Incidents

2019-10-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Speaking from a personal perspective - This all makes sense, and, to be honest, the spectrum/grade idea isn’t a good or robust. Implementing something like that requires too many judgment questions about whether a CA belongs in box x vs. box y and what is the difference between those two

Re: Mozilla Policy Requirements CA Incidents

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 7:06 PM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > Interesting. I can't tell with the Netlock certificate, but the other > three non-EKU intermediates look like replacements for intermediates that > were issued before the policy date and then reissued after the compliance > date. The

RE: Mozilla Policy Requirements CA Incidents

2019-10-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Interesting. I can't tell with the Netlock certificate, but the other three non-EKU intermediates look like replacements for intermediates that were issued before the policy date and then reissued after the compliance date. The industry has established that renewal and new issuance are

Mozilla Policy Requirements CA Incidents

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
In light of Wayne's many planned updates as part of version 2.7 of the Mozilla Root Store Policy, and prompted by some folks looking at adding linters, I recently went through and spot-checked some of the Mozilla Policy-specific requirements to see how well CAs are doing at following these. I

Re: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:20 PM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > For example, suppose a root was created before a rule went into place and > the root needs to be renewed for some reason. If the root was compliant > before creation and modifying the profile would break something with the > root, then

RE: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
For this particular incident, I would like to know why the CA didn’t review the profile before signing the root. It seems like a flaw in the process in the key ceremony process not to go through a checklist with the profile and ensure each field complies with the current version of BRs.

RE: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Yeah - I like the visibility here since I know I often forget to post the incident to the Mozilla list as well as post the bug. IMO - it's up to the CA to decide if they want to sign something in violation of the BRs and then it's up the browsers on what the action taken in response is. I

Re: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 07/10/2019 17:35, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:26 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> On 07/10/2019 16:52, Ryan Sleevi wrote: >>> I'm curious how folks feel about the following practice: >>> >>> Imagine a CA, "Foo",

Re: Entrust Root Certification Authority - G4 Inclusion Request

2019-10-07 Thread Bruce via dev-security-policy
On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 5:22:19 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > We will update section 4.2 and 9.12.3 in the next release of the CPS. The CPS Has been updated to address the above issues, see

Re: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:54 AM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > Are both roots trusted in the Mozilla root store? If so, could you say > that Mozilla has approved of the root not-withstanding the non-compliance? > If root 2 did go through the public review process and had the public look > at the

RE: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Are both roots trusted in the Mozilla root store? If so, could you say that Mozilla has approved of the root not-withstanding the non-compliance? If root 2 did go through the public review process and had the public look at the certificate and still got embedded, then Mozilla perhaps signed off

Re: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:26 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 07/10/2019 16:52, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > I'm curious how folks feel about the following practice: > > > > Imagine a CA, "Foo", that creates a new Root Certificate ("Root 1").

Re: CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 07/10/2019 16:52, Ryan Sleevi wrote: I'm curious how folks feel about the following practice: Imagine a CA, "Foo", that creates a new Root Certificate ("Root 1"). They create this Root Certificate after the effective date of the Baseline Requirements, but prior to Root Programs consistently

CAs cross-signing roots whose subjects don't comply with the BRs

2019-10-07 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
I'm curious how folks feel about the following practice: Imagine a CA, "Foo", that creates a new Root Certificate ("Root 1"). They create this Root Certificate after the effective date of the Baseline Requirements, but prior to Root Programs consistently requiring compliance with the Baseline