Protecting a Mozilla-based app.

2008-12-18 Thread nbjayme
Hello all, I'm new to this list. My interest is in the area of protecting the mozApp and Data. I am thinking in line of an encrypted folder to store the data and have the application signed. The application is xulrunner-based but I don't know if the security of mozilla is also included in xulrun

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Kyle Hamilton
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Ian G wrote: > On 18/12/08 12:09, Kyle Hamilton wrote: >> >> Eddy's gone ahead and sent a signed PDF, according to a later message >> in-thread. I expect that it'll work without a hitch, though I would >> like to hear of any anomalous behavior. :) >> >> But, I'm s

Re: DSV/S-TRUST root inclusion request

2008-12-18 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
According to my mail client, Ian G wrote on 2008-12-17 04:11 PST: [paraphrasing liberally: Europeans let their legislatures do their engineering.] Lot of countries have created their own legislation or regulation for security software, and then sat back and waited for others to implement their

Re: A tip for novice users of SSL_BadCertHook and SSL_PeerCertificate

2008-12-18 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: > DanKegel wrote, On 2008-12-18 12:12: >> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/ref/ssl/sslfnc.html#1088928 >> says "To obtain the certificate that was rejected by the certificate >> authentication callback, the callback function

NSS Shared DB and Linux proposal.

2008-12-18 Thread Robert Relyea
I've made a proposal on how applications should initialize NSS when using shared databases on Linux. That draft is located here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/NSS_Shared_DB_And_LINUX Comments and edits are welcome. Thanks, bob smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___

Re: JSS NSS sun.security.pkcs11.SunPKCS11

2008-12-18 Thread Glen Beasley
banzai wrote: Hi all, I have tried to read all the certificates in NSS. you probably know this but you of course can use the built in Firefox Certificate Manager Options->Advanced->View Certificates I a little confused by some of the info provided. One you can configure Sun PKCS#11 provider

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 10:16 PM, Ian G: It is truly basic, it is how business works. Your assumptions are a non-starter for me. Having worked myself in various organizations from small and to big (1000+), what you suspect is completly foreign to me, not common practice for IT personnel (in particula

Re: A tip for novice users of SSL_BadCertHook and SSL_PeerCertificate

2008-12-18 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
DanKegel wrote, On 2008-12-18 12:12: > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/ref/ssl/sslfnc.html#1088928 > says "To obtain the certificate that was rejected by the certificate > authentication callback, the callback function calls > SSL_PeerCertificate." The sentence above could be clar

Re: SECOM Trust EV root inclusion request

2008-12-18 Thread Ian G
On 18/12/08 18:14, István Zsolt BERTA wrote: I'll differ from you somewhat here. As a practical matter browser vendors are a major audience for a CA's CPS, along with the CA's auditor, possibly government agencies concerned with the CA's operations, and whoever else might care to read it. I can u

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Ian G
On 18/12/08 17:47, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 12/18/2008 05:29 PM, Ian G: Hopelessly unreliable, in my opinion. Crypto will tell you that someone with "Kathleen's key" made that PDF, but some time later we might discover that Kathleen now works for Microsoft. Nobody bothered to replace the key, becaus

A tip for novice users of SSL_BadCertHook and SSL_PeerCertificate

2008-12-18 Thread DanKegel
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/nss/ref/ssl/sslfnc.html#1088928 says "To obtain the certificate that was rejected by the certificate authentication callback, the callback function calls SSL_PeerCertificate." And it really does mean the callback function. Once that returns, the inform

Re: SECOM Trust EV root inclusion request

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 07:14 PM, István Zsolt BERTA: Had we known that English documentation is a requirement, we could have chosen to fulfill it by submitting a translation, we could have sought other way to sell certificates accepted by Mozilla, or we could have decided to forget about the Mozilla-incl

CA liability. was: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Anders Rundgren
CA liability has been focused on the RP since it an RP that "trusts" a CA and its certificates, right? A problem with this notion is that there is no end to what a wrongly certified entity could cause in damages, particularly not for "eID" kind of certificates that potentially opens any number of

Re: SECOM Trust EV root inclusion request

2008-12-18 Thread István Zsolt BERTA
> Ian G wrote re CPSs not available in English: > >> Which leads to the first easy fix: insist that all non-english CAs >> translate all their docs. Then I can read the CPS! I personally >> am unsatisfied at that, I see flaws. > >> 1. Frank has made the case for regional and local CAs. The we

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 05:29 PM, Ian G: Hopelessly unreliable, in my opinion. Crypto will tell you that someone with "Kathleen's key" made that PDF, but some time later we might discover that Kathleen now works for Microsoft. Nobody bothered to replace the key, because it worked. Well, I think I start

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 05:06 PM, Frank Hecker: You can apparently create signed PDF documents using Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard; Eddy says there are free signing utilities than be used also, but I don't have references for those right now. Eddy is using a slightly modified version of this: http://sourcef

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 05:15 PM, David E. Ross: Actually, a digital signature DOES NOT necessarily guard a document from attack. An attacker might still be able to delete a signed document. I'm not aware of any PKI solution that protects from deletion. That would have to be handled properly on the fil

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Ian G
On 18/12/08 13:20, Anders Rundgren wrote: Kyle, I fully agree with your conclusions. IMO a signature's primary function is to provide a mark of authenticity to something. If the signature is associated with an unknown signer the value of the signature becomes rather limited. The Qualified Certi

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Ian G
On 18/12/08 12:09, Kyle Hamilton wrote: Eddy's gone ahead and sent a signed PDF, according to a later message in-thread. I expect that it'll work without a hitch, though I would like to hear of any anomalous behavior. :) But, I'm struck again by a couple of questions. Why does everything have

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread David E. Ross
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Frank Hecker > wrote: >> Kyle Hamilton wrote: >>> Actually, the 'threat model' is more related to versioning (via >>> timestamp) than anything, and to ensure that no malware on my system >>> (I try to keep it malware-free, obviously, but I also know that just >

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Frank Hecker
Kyle Hamilton wrote: Eddy's gone ahead and sent a signed PDF, according to a later message in-thread. I expect that it'll work without a hitch, though I would like to hear of any anomalous behavior. :) It did indeed work without problems. I was able to read the document successfully with a va

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 12/18/2008 01:09 PM, Kyle Hamilton: Why does everything have to have an explicit 'threat model' before cryptography can be applied? In my view, cryptography is useful for MUCH more than just "protecting against potential attack". Kile, I think that's correct and the protection/confirmation

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Anders Rundgren
Kyle, I fully agree with your conclusions. IMO a signature's primary function is to provide a mark of authenticity to something. If the signature is associated with an unknown signer the value of the signature becomes rather limited. The Qualified Certificate concept is based on the strange idea

Re: Publishing CA information documents in PDF format

2008-12-18 Thread Kyle Hamilton
Eddy's gone ahead and sent a signed PDF, according to a later message in-thread. I expect that it'll work without a hitch, though I would like to hear of any anomalous behavior. :) But, I'm struck again by a couple of questions. Why does everything have to have an explicit 'threat model' before