[Test-Announce] F16 release issue: karma required for livecd-tools updates

2011-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey, everyone. There are pending updates for livecd-tools in F14, F15 and F16: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-15442 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-15374 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-15386 It's quite important that we get these appro

[Test-Announce] 2011-11-07 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2011-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
WHAT: Fedora QA Meeting WHEN: 15:00 UTC (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST) WHERE: #fedora-meeting It's meeting time again! It's the first meeting of the post-Fedora 16 era, so time to dust off anything you've been sitting on through the release crunch. Also note that clocks went back in North America today, b

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 03:24 +, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Mathieu Bridon fedoraproject.org> writes: > > > [..snip..] and thanks to my incredibly poor focus [..snip..] > > > Oh, and I don't think I am a "Joe Average" or an "Aunt Tillie": I'm a > > Fedora package maintainer, Python developer, a re

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
Mathieu Bridon fedoraproject.org> writes: > [..snip..] and thanks to my incredibly poor focus [..snip..] > Oh, and I don't think I am a "Joe Average" or an "Aunt Tillie": I'm a > Fedora package maintainer, Python developer, a release engineer for an > in-house Linux distribution at $dayjob, and

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 23:33 +, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Please, just give me the name of _one_ user that got _distracted_ by the > taskbar in Gnome (or any other OS, for that matter). Look at the value of the « From: » header of this email for a name of such a user. > The name of one user that

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
Mathieu Bridon fedoraproject.org> writes: > instead of complaining and being insulting? Point to one insult please. Constructive criticism is not complaining. -- Bojan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 23:25 +, Bojan Smojver wrote: > I did not imply that users that use gnome-shell as is are insane. What I said > was that GUI behaviour that introduces many _unnecessary_ steps for _no_ > _benefit_ is insane. Did you even read my answer to you earlier where I said that I w

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:23:02 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > > If I filed every bug in the distro in upstream I'd have a dozen > > different bugzilla accounts by now. > > So what? Maintainers are not messengers, they have other work to do than > forwarding the bugs you're too lazy to file directly

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
Frederic Muller cm17.com> writes: > me! I'd click to see what was 'happening' on the other workspace. :-) -- Bojan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Frederic Muller
On 11/07/2011 07:33 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > The name of one user that > was tempted to switch tasks just because the taskbar/workspace switcher me! I'd click to see what was 'happening' on the other workspace. Fred -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
drago01 gmail.com> writes: Again, rebuttal only. > I didn't comment on whether your arguments are valid or not I simply > said that "confused users" was *not* the reason for the lack of > taskbar. distraction != confusion. Now we're splitting hairs, eh? A distracted user is not a confused user,

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
Florian Müllner gnome.org> writes: Rebuttal only here. No new material. > Does that mean that the existence of terminal emulators for X11 is proof > of graphical user interfaces being a mistake? Terminal and (I guess other) GUI apps do entirely _different_ things. Apps menu in overview and apps

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Florian Müllner
On dom, 2011-11-06 at 22:42 +, Bojan Smojver wrote: > The existence of all those extensions that bring back sanity (apps menu in > normal view, workspaces in normal view, persistent dash for switching tasks in > normal view etc.) is the proof of the ultimate irony - the (supposedly) > biggest

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > drago01 gmail.com> writes: > >> Not true ... I recommend reading >> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/#Activities_Overview > > Just one link, so you wouldn't say I'm plucking things out of thin air: > > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShe

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
drago01 gmail.com> writes: > Not true ... I recommend reading > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/#Activities_Overview Just one link, so you wouldn't say I'm plucking things out of thin air: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ#Why_no_window_list_or_dock.3F This explains... ...

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread Bojan Smojver
drago01 gmail.com> writes: > Not true ... I recommend reading > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/#Activities_Overview I read that a long, long time ago, of course. In fact, I have written a constructive critique of Gnome 3 many months ago, based to a large degree on the very document you

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-06 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 11/06/2011 12:26 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Puzzles me. The F-16 build doesn't depend on libpng* directly: > > $ rpm -qR geeqie|grep png > $ rpm -q geeqie > geeqie-1.0-13.fc16.x86_64 I noticed a similar thing with gkrellm-volume -- the F-15 build did have a dependency on it, but the F-16 o

rawhide report: 20111106 changes

2011-11-06 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Nov 6 08:16:08 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 4ti2-1.3.2-7.fc17.1.x86_64 requires libgmp.so.3()(64bit) 1:anerley-0.3.0-5.fc17.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.15 1:anerley-0.3.0-5.fc17.i6

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-06 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote: > Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > >> I, for >> one, want my computer to work the way I learned and interiorized a computer >> works, any "innovative" interface destroys my automatisms and confuses me. >> >> I'm using Plasma Desktop with the C

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:35:21 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:07:44 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: > >> My list was just the result of "repoquery --whatrequires". > > > The last Rawhide build of "geeqie" also doesn't depend on libpng*. > > F-15 does, however, which might be where you've

Re: F16: systemd nfs-server.service is absent in "systemctl --all"

2011-11-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 11:58 +0400, Lucas wrote: > Dear All > > I was trying to setup nfs server on fedora 16 and first off all started from > nfs-server. I checked > "chkconfig" - nothing, then "systemctl --all | grep nfs" - nothing again. > Then I searched in "rpm -q > nfs-utils -l" and found

Re: F16: systemd nfs-server.service is absent in "systemctl --all"

2011-11-06 Thread Lucas
Thanks. I totally forgot about that difference. There is loaded, dead, ... and disabled. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Package picolisp

2011-11-06 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Kalpa and Buddhika, On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > I'm willing to package PicoLisp. Any assistance is highly appreciated. Great! I'm glad to hear that On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 10:49:15PM +0530, Buddhika Kurera wrote: > But I would like to learn about that(have a li

F16: systemd nfs-server.service is absent in "systemctl --all"

2011-11-06 Thread Lucas
Dear All I was trying to setup nfs server on fedora 16 and first off all started from nfs-server. I checked "chkconfig" - nothing, then "systemctl --all | grep nfs" - nothing again. Then I searched in "rpm -q nfs-utils -l" and found out that I have it: /lib/systemd/system/nfs-blkmap.service /