Re: well!

2013-03-13 Thread Stef Walter
On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:47:07AM -0400, Digimer wrote: On 03/12/2013 12:41 AM, Charles Zeitler wrote: i don't like giving up control over my machine (partitioning), so i won't be upgrading to Fedora 18. i'll watch the web site for a return to sanity.

Re: well!

2013-03-13 Thread Kaleb KEITHLEY
On 03/13/2013 12:17 PM, Stef Walter wrote: On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:47:07AM -0400, Digimer wrote: On 03/12/2013 12:41 AM, Charles Zeitler wrote: i don't like giving up control over my machine (partitioning), so i won't be upgrading to Fedora 18. i'll

Re: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-13 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:59:50 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/06/2013 02:44 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng norvald.ry...@oracle.com wrote: In practice, this means that it will be almost impossible to install MySQL in Fedora. The

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-03-12, 23:11 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote: I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I get is a crash. Using sip.redhat.com (that's eZuce OpenUC) I have just made a call to my cellphone. I have telepathy-rakia-0.7.4-3. Best, Matěj -- devel mailing list

Re: Building broken in rawhide for packages requiring mysql? Re: MySQL-libs conflicts with mariadb-libs-5.5.29-7.fc19.x86_64

2013-03-13 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:33:21 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 02:03 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:00:29 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: if I understand it correctly that the problem is caused by conflicting library names, then it

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On 13 Mar 2013 08:02, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 2013-03-12, 23:11 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote: I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I get is a crash. Using sip.redhat.com (that's eZuce OpenUC) I have just made a call to my cellphone. I have

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has had inheritance cut off from previous releases, so this means that

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 12.3.2013 19:16, Ray Strode napsal(a): Hi, This is an interesting idea, but I don't think plymouth makes it any easier to display CJK Indic glyphs. (Please someone more technical tell me if I'm wrong here, I vaguely remember this being an issue when we wanted to add a messagse to fedup)

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-13 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:25:02 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:14 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Honza Horak wrote: This doesn't solve all the issues -- if package like akonadi-mysql says

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-13 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:31:46 +0100, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: This dependency is a problem. It makes it impossible to install MySQL-server on a KDE system since mariadb-server and MySQL-server conflict. That just shows how broken it is to have both

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread drago01
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 21:53, Máirín Duffy a écrit : I tried breaking this thread down into its components and summarizing the discussion and points brought up thus far. I hope it helps:

[Test-Announce] 2013-03-13 @ 17:00 UTC - F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #1

2013-03-13 Thread Tim Flink
# F19 Alpha Blocker Review meeting #1 # Date: 2013-03-13 # Time: 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net A few blockers have been proposed for Alpha and it's time to start the always popular blocker review meetings! We'll be running through the

Headups: soname bump for librabbitmq

2013-03-13 Thread Remi Collet
I just build librabbitmq 0.3.0 in f19 and rawhide. Soname change from .0 to .1 Related packages php-pecl-amqp opensips-event_rabbitmq Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Headups: soname bump for librabbitmq

2013-03-13 Thread Remi Collet
Le 13/03/2013 09:50, Remi Collet a écrit : I just build librabbitmq 0.3.0 in f19 and rawhide. Other change: tools moved to new librabbitmq-tools sub-package so librabbitmq only provides the library. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20

Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer deprecation

2013-03-13 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:34:24 PM Subject: Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer deprecation On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Stanislav

re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread deep64blue
On Wed Mar 13 00:32:09 UTC 2013 Máirín Duffy wrote: Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users. Surely if our target audience / user base is those who have a capability / interest in contributing then we shouldn't be

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 March 2013 22:13, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Why should the default configuration be ugly, slow, and biased toward handling the odd case when things break ? I confess I've only been lightly skimming this entire deeply interesting thread, on which more man hours have almost

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 2013-03-12, 22:28 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote: The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-( And telepathy-rakia (I positively

Re: [Fedora QA] #343: Add cgit link to Main Page

2013-03-13 Thread Fedora QA
#343: Add cgit link to Main Page ---+--- Reporter: tflink| Owner: mkrizek Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 19 Component:

Fedora 18 on Asus U38N-C4010H

2013-03-13 Thread Andreas Tunek
Hi Fedora people, I am writing this so somewhere on the Internet there is some info on running Fedora on an U38N. If you use the F18 Live image on a USB stick, reboot the computer from Win8 and keep the esc button pressed you can choose to boot from usb or hard drive. Choosing USB boots up Fedora

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 10:16 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.03.2013 02:54, schrieb Simo Sorce: On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 23:23 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.03.2013 23:13, schrieb Simo Sorce: On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 22:37 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.03.2013 22:34, schrieb Simo

How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem with that. However I tried to install the new Ruby on my Rawhide machine, but it

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users. I'd call this to be an urban legend. A boot menu is self-explanatory, even to new-comers.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 12:47 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I read the blog and I was NOT talking about your blog post. Rereading what I wrote does show that I did not convey that clearly. What I was trying to refer to was that over the long winding thread others have pointed out that this would be

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Wed 13 Mar 2013 08:53:32 AM EDT, Reindl Harald wrote: i wonder how i survived to learn all this stuff which is so confusing - why do linux need to handhold anybody which does get scared from a simple menu where each trained monkey in doubt seletcs the first entry? Clearly you're a genius,

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.3.2013 13:40, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem with that. However I tried to

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.3.2013 10:09, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.3.2013 14:01, Jon Ciesla napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com mailto:rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64:

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

2013-03-13 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.3.2013 14:01, Jon Ciesla napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: It might have improved in f18, I got sick of trying and no response from the maintainer to abrt reports I too have had problems getting any sort of response from the maintainer, but I'm always one to give second

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: What is the point of the RPM changelog then? RPM changelog is for packaging changes. Bodhi update notes are for the user. They are not merely redundant copies of the same information. I see both

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users. I'd call this to be

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I've tried several other things this morning, but it doesn't seem nearly stable enough to be my daily driver softphone. Time to go try out Ekiga again, it seems. I know it's usually bad form to reply to yourself

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

2013-03-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 03/12/2013 10:18 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Again, I'm disappointed in seeing that placeholder text in stable updates. Clearly that plan failed---it'd be nice if Bodhi could become smart enough to reject updates with the placeholder description. I

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 01:32, Máirín Duffy a écrit : On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much a welded shut view. And as someone who has to worked

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/3/12 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:53:00AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:03:26 +0100 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.3.2013 10:09, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a):

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 15:47 +0100, Jan Dvořák wrote: As have already been mentioned before, POSTing server takes so long that GRUB delay is hardly noticeable. But what is worse, if you miss the kernel selection dialog on a server, you look at UP TO FIVE MORE MINUTES of waiting for the damn

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com I'm sure there were a bunch of sorry whiners missing verbose text boot scrolling by their screen by default, in favor of graphical boot. Or perhaps those whiners consider themselves responsible employees by being diligent in understanding what

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:19 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: I personally could not care less about the defaults Fedora uses. I've been overriding them for years. I'm just glad I was able to learn these things before everything became hidden.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 09:34 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: From: Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com I'm sure there were a bunch of sorry whiners missing verbose text boot scrolling by their screen by default, in favor of graphical boot. Or perhaps those whiners consider

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. 1. the bootloader screen is no longer themed with colour backgrounds but is predominantly black and white. Boot is transitioning from a black shut down screen so any colour or grey background is going to flash.

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:52:40PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: rescue system. (that's why safety jackets use flashy unfashionable colors) So we should make the boot loader use flashy unfashionable colors because it makes it more reliable? Ok that's silly, but it's also silly for safety

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: 03/13/2013 09:47 Subject: Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 09:34 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 09:28 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 13 mars 2013 01:32, Máirín Duffy a écrit : On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much a

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. 1. the bootloader screen is no longer themed with colour backgrounds but is predominantly black and white. Boot is transitioning from a black shut down

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Jan Dvořák
Hi, On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:29:34 +0100 Nils Philippsen n...@redhat.com wrote: Otherwise, no or a short timeout is used. I'm sure finding the best thresholds, length of the list etc. needs some experimenting, but besides that I don't see a glaring error with this idea. What do you think? I

How does it work: What package can open a file?

2013-03-13 Thread Richard Shaw
When you try to open a file for which you have no package installed that handles that file type, there is a GUI that pops up and asks if you want it to search for a package that can handle the file. How exactly does this mechanism work? I'm assuming there is some meta-data in the RPM package that

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.03.2013 13:46, schrieb Máirín Duffy: If the general principle of 'specialized technical crap confuses people who don't understand it' is a mystical urban legend to you, you might want to try teaching a class to less-experienced computer users or watching usability test videos. Or maybe

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:26, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Máirín, I would argue that throwing information up in people's faces 100% of the time when it's useless to over 95% of those people is like throwing a text in Japanese at a non-Japanese English speaker in the hopes that somehow they would be

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that prevents improving this text instead of dumping the baby with the bath water. I'm not. I'm making an

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-13 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: Why? if we reverted no work would have gone on on the new codebase That's the whole problem. The Anaconda team cannot manage to develop in a branch or trunk which is only put into Rawhide when it's

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 14:29 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: I don't see a glaring error with this idea. What do you think? Well, I talked to a few guys in the office about it and there's one interesting issue with part of my idea: trying to detect multi-boot environments means that the boot

Re: How does it work: What package can open a file?

2013-03-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/03/13 14:40, Richard Shaw wrote: When you try to open a file for which you have no package installed that handles that file type, there is a GUI that pops up and asks if you want it to search for a package that can handle the file. How exactly does this mechanism work? I'm assuming there

[perl-Net-Twitter/f19] (2 commits) ...Import 4.00003

2013-03-13 Thread Julian C . Dunn
Summary of changes: 750fd6a... Updated to Net-Twitter-4.3 (*) aa29c0a... Import 4.3 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 10:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that prevents improving this text instead of

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:48, Máirín Duffy a écrit : On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that prevents improving this text instead of dumping the

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Dave Jones
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:30:01AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has had inheritance cut off from previous

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 10:57 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: I'm with you that users shouldn't see this by default, but rather e.g. upon encountering an error condition (or if configured differently). However, we still could use better wording for such a message, even if we restrict ourselves to English,

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13.3.2013 14:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Are you suggesting that we should exclude them? Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 09:23 AM, Ian Malone wrote: Then you have good students. Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Is there any good reason to exclude them? I started using Linux (Red Hat 5.1) as a 3rd year high school student. ~m --

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 15:07, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 13.3.2013 14:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Are you suggesting that we should exclude them? Yes okay, that's what I'm

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 600 - Server should return unavailableCriticalExtension when processing a badly formed critical control

2013-03-13 Thread thierry bordaz
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/600 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/600/0001-Ticket-600-Server-should-return-unavailableCriticalE.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

2013-03-13 Thread Karel Zak
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:34:50AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: Summary: Added Packages: 0 Removed Packages: 13124 Upgraded Packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 (0 ) Size change of modified packages: 0 (0 ) Size of removed packages: 38512331457 (36 G) Size change: -38512331457 (-36

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 23:52 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 12 mars 2013 19:04, Peter Jones a écrit : Obviously we need to do a good job of making sure we tolerate failures, and there are multiple ways to do this - if you reboot N times within M seconds or somesuch might be a

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

2013-03-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:18:34 +0100 Karel Zak k...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:34:50AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: Summary: Added Packages: 0 Removed Packages: 13124 Upgraded Packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 (0 ) Size change of modified packages: 0 (0 )

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather than separating it out for access only in a completely different context? Because maybe your computer

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2013-03-13

2013-03-13 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, March 13th) at 4PM EDT (8PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM weekly status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 1) Problem packages 2) Aarch64 patching 3) Creating test

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Sebastian Mäki
I know it is a simplification, but to me, the two sides of this argument are: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something goes wrong, pop

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/13/2013 02:23 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com said: Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was unexpected. Having to do a full rsync again is a pain. wtf happened that caused the mirrors to be empty ? Ouch. I see that too. IIRC this happened before (maybe last

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread John . Florian
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: 03/13/2013 11:35 Subject: Re: f19 mass branching Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Once upon a time, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com said: Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:16, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. (btw, in case it is not obvious, the solution described here is a form of dead-man switch, which is a proven method to handle operator failures. In the case

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: No, a boot menu is not self-explanatory, and no, this is not an 'urban legend.' How do you even come up with associating the term 'urban legend' to statement saying that a complex screen is confusing to casual computer users?

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: In that situation my first instinct would be to go into the control panel and poke around and see if there was something I could fix there, and maybe search online for an answer. My first instinct would not be to reboot the system and go

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:35:00 -0500 Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com said: Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was unexpected. Having to do a full rsync again is a pain. wtf happened that caused the mirrors to

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something goes wrong, pop it. If the driver wants to

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
From: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather than separating it out for access only in a completely different context? On 03/13/2013 11:26 AM,

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 03/13/2013 10:57 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: I'm with you that users shouldn't see this by default, but rather e.g. upon encountering an error condition (or if configured differently). However, we still could use better wording for

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 11:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 11:46 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: This brings the question, how do you do your update? I actually do updates via the package kit nag thing that pops up from the messaging tray, and I rarely pay attention to the list of packages. I just don't have the time to bother, and if that's

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:23:35 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: Why? if we reverted no work would have gone on on the new codebase That's the whole problem. The Anaconda team cannot manage to develop in a branch or trunk which is only put into Rawhide when

ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

2013-03-13 Thread Pavel Alexeev
Good day. By request https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849065 I plan split off ImageMagick-libs sub-package and update ImageMagick to last 6.8.3-9 version. There many changes including so-name bump and version scheme change from upstream: libMagickCore.so.5 became

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Pavel Alexeev fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote: Good day. By request https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849065 I plan split off ImageMagick-libs sub-package and update ImageMagick to last 6.8.3-9 version. There many changes including so-name bump and

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 16:52, Máirín Duffy a écrit : From: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather than separating it out for access only in a completely

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

2013-03-13 Thread Remi Collet
Le 13/03/2013 17:03, Pavel Alexeev a écrit : I plan push it in rawhide 14-17 March if no one will argue. Sounds good. Dependency rebuild required. php-magickwand php-pecl-imagick This 2 packages requires some patches to build with latest ImageMagick. I already have them ready. So ping me

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 17:00, Máirín Duffy a écrit : It's been a really long time since a kernel update broke something on my system as well. I think the last time might have been around F14, there had been a kernel update that broke suspend on my Thinkpad x61. A fix came out shortly after.

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

2013-03-13 Thread Remi Collet
Le 13/03/2013 17:16, Remi Collet a écrit : php-pecl-imagick As you're the owner of this one, if you prefer to update it, see http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=329769 Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 12:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: snip 2) You can take the longer release time, get the new codebase in and done and then you are in much better shape moving forward. We choose 2. (Anaconda folks, feel free to drop in and correct me if I got anything wrong). I can't see much way to

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Wed 13 Mar 2013 12:19:39 PM EDT, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: This is no luck, you are using the exact class of hardware @rh dev use, which is pretty much the safest setup for Fedora (and it's not the least expensive hardware on the market either). This is my last message to this thread. I am

Fedora Knowledge Base / Help Center Idea

2013-03-13 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 03/13/2013 11:53 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: I imagine that some kind of well discoverable (e.g. advertised during installation, or in the default browser homepage) knowledge-base beyond installation guides, release notes e.a. could get us a far way, which would have vetted information about

Re: f19 mass branching

2013-03-13 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:51:01AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:35:00 -0500 Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com said: Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was unexpected. Having to do a

Re: Fedora Knowledge Base / Help Center Idea

2013-03-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/13/2013 12:31 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: The idea here is that it would be a desktop app that would aggregate information from ask.fedoraproject.org (as a kbase backend) as well as the Fedora docs, so you could search all places at once. If an API is needed for this functionality, it would

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 13 Mar 2013, at 10:16, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. There have been a number of suggestions that have taken a Windows 8 approach to this problem -- auto-detecting error conditions or enabling one to reboot

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-13 Thread Honza Horak
On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: We now changed the Requires in akonadi-mysql to mariadb-server to be sure of what we get. This dependency is a problem. It makes it impossible to install MySQL-server on a KDE system since mariadb-server and MySQL-server conflict. I don't think

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Jan Dvořák
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:52:24 -0400 Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: + If a user could hold the key down from before power on until the boot options menu appeared, then Fedora could still do extremely fast booting without presenting the user with a short time interval to

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

2013-03-13 Thread Honza Horak
On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:25:02 +0100, Honza Horak hho...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:14 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Honza Horak wrote: This doesn't solve all

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