Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

On 07/10/2013 07:53 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > On Wed, 03 Jul, 2013 at 04:35:58 GMT, Alex G. wrote: >> We shouldn't be surprised that update descriptions are crap. They are >> just an annoyance for a lot of us, especially since we've put all that >> information in a bunch of other places. > > Where

Re: Virtualization on ARM (was: Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:15:37PM +0100, M A Young wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2013, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > >On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:32:46AM -0400, Jonathan Masters wrote: > >>Excellent proposal. I of course think this would be just awesome! > > > >This proposal doesn't address virtualizati

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:24:05PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 06:14:24PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > >> Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> > I was working on adding 2 more SOC's for packagers earlier this week. > >>

Re: Who uses abi-compliance-checker?

Sérgio Basto wrote: On Qui, 2013-07-04 at 16:47 +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: Starting with 1.6 version of pkgdiff if you compare debug packages and add --details option on the command line then the tool will automatically run abi-dumper to dump ABI of old and new shared objects found in the

F20 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE DM

= Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager instead of KDM = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM Change owner(s): Martin Briza and KDE SIG Retire KDM as the default display manager of the KDE Fedora Spin in favor of SDDM. == Detailed descrip

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/10/2013 09:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 13:56 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >On 07/10/2013 12:36 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > >Plus, in relation to this - the llvmpipe issue brings up that one of > >the 'release blocking desktops'*does not work*. This woul

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

Hi, On 07/10/2013 06:14 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: I was working on adding 2 more SOC's for packagers earlier this week. I wanted to see how much call there was for these... should I try and make them accessable by all packagers? Or just have a group and interested people coul

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

- Original Message - > Hi, > > On 07/10/2013 06:14 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> I was working on adding 2 more SOC's for packagers earlier this week. > >> > >> I wanted to see how much call there was for these... should I try and > >> make them accessable by all pac

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE DM

Hi, Due to some concerns that were raised regarding further KDM inclusion, I'm adding this information to the change description: KDM will still be included in the repositories of Fedora, the change affects only new installations of Fedora 20, which will have SDDM enabled as the default DM,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > On 07/10/2013 09:13 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> >> Fedora is an operating system that supports a range of desktop >> environments, defaulting to the GNOME desktop environment. An OS that >> supports headless servers but not desktop enviro

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > Speaking about hardware - and that's more a question for Spot - could > be possible to organize another round of HW give away as we did with > Raspberries? With a different HW, that's supported in Fedora and it > seems like there are pret

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >> The all or nothing element in the above simply serves to discourage further >> contribution and is harming Fedora's growth. The relentless "I don't want > > I don't believe that is tru

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:43:36AM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >> > Stack protector is not a new requirement in Fedora. It's been part of >> > the distribution for years. >> >> xterm has been part of the distribution for years also, but it'

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

>> > I appreciate that some people cannot or don't want to buy hardware, >> > but if you did have roughly $300 available, then you should probably >> > get the Oct 2012 Samsung Chromebook or the Arndale development board. >> > The Chromebook has the advantage IMHO that it's a decent netbook. >> >>

arm build times

So, wondering... a) What is the fastest available arm hardware that works today with fedora ? b) The fedora builders are currently just one arm per build, right ? Any benefit to throwing distcc/icecream at the problem ? Wouldn't help the java builds, but would likely help e.g. the LibreOffice ones

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> >> Speaking about hardware - and that's more a question for Spot - could >> be possible to organize another round of HW give away as we did with >> Raspberries? With a different HW, th

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >> On 07/10/2013 09:13 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> >>> Fedora is an operating system that supports a range of desktop >>> environments, defaulting to the GNOME desktop environment. An

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:35:36PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > >> Speaking about hardware - and that's more a question for Spot - could > >> be possible to organize another ro

F20 Self Contained Change: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.11

= Proposed Self Contained Change: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.11 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE411 Change owner(s): Rex Dieter and KDE SIG Rebase to version 4.11 of: the KDE Plasma Workspaces including the Plasma Desktop and Netbook workspaces, the KDE Applications and the KDE Platfo

F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

= Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot Change owner(s): Vivek Goyal Currently kexec/kdump is disabled on machines with secureboot enabled. This feature aims to enable kexec/kdump on such machines. == Det

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was raised by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering resource is being assigned to correct this deficiency ASAP. Thus within a day an issue has been noted that we were unaware of and is being worked through

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:04:51PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > The all or nothing element in the above simply serves to discourage > further contribution and is harming Fedora's growth. The relentless > "I don't want ARM to sully the good name of Fedora" is absurd: User > for user, ARM is con

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

- Original Message - > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:04:51PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > > The all or nothing element in the above simply serves to discourage > > further contribution and is harming Fedora's growth. The relentless > > "I don't want ARM to sully the good name of Fedora"

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> On 07/10/2013 09:13 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Fedora is an operating system that supports a range of desktop

Re: arm build times

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Caolán McNamara wrote: > So, wondering... > > a) What is the fastest available arm hardware that works today with > fedora ? At the moment the build hardware we have is Calxeda quad core A9 with 4Gb of RAM and a local HDD. > b) The fedora builders are currently

rawhide report: 20130711 changes

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:01:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > But spins are Fedora, same as cloud image is still Fedora (and I don't > see complaints it does not run Gnome Shell ;-). Desktop spin is one > spin of the many spins but we promote it (for several reasons) more than > others. So ag

F20 Self Contained Change: Yesod Web Framework

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Yesod Web Framework = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/YesodWebFramework Change owner(s): Jens Petersen , Michel Salim, Ben Boeckel Yesod is a Haskell web framework for productive development of type-safe, RESTful, high performance web applications. ==

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Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

I've just spotted usr-move has been completed. states: In addition, Fedora packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories. Instead, the /usr/bin, /usr/sbin,

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:23:21PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:01:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > But spins are Fedora, same as cloud image is still Fedora (and I don't > > see complaints it does not run Gnome Shell ;-). Desktop spin is one > > spin of the m

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:48:56PM +, Petr Pisar wrote: > I've just spotted usr-move has been completed. > > states: > > In addition, Fedora packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the > /bi

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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE DM

On Thu, 11.07.13 12:34, Martin Briza (mbr...@redhat.com) wrote: > >= Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager > >instead of KDM = > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM > > > >Change owner(s): Martin Briza and KDE SIG BTW, I have some more multi

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:48:56PM +, Petr Pisar wrote: >> I've just spotted usr-move has been completed. >> >> states: >> >> In addition

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On 07/11/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: === Build and ship ima-evm-utils package === /sbin/kexec will be signed by evmctl. This utility will put an xattr security.ima on /sbin/kexec file and kernel will leverage IMA infrastructure in kernel to verify signature of /sbin/kexec upon execution

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 06:49:10PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> That's correct and you'll find that that's what I've been doing for >> 2.5+ years now, but we're talking about Primary here... and in primary >> it's everyone's responsibil

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:56 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Each sub-community ( be it spins be it various arch ) should need to provide > the necessary QA/Releng resources from their sub-community ( if no such > thing the relevant party needs to build one ) That would be interesting and qu

Re: [Owner-change] Fedora packages ownership change

On 07/10/2013 11:05 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 9.7.2013 17:52, Orion Poplawski napsal(a): On 07/09/2013 12:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 8.7.2013 12:00, nob...@fedoraproject.org napsal(a): ruby-mysql [devel] was orphaned by orion A Ruby interface to MySQL https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

F20 Self Contained Change: ARM on x86 with libvirt/virt-manager

= Proposed Self Contained Change: ARM on x86 with libvirt/virt-manager = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Virt_ARM_on_x86 Change owner(s): Cole Robinson Fix running ARM VMs on x86 hosts using standard libvirt tools libvirt virsh, virt-manager and virt-install. == Detailed description ==

F20 Self Contained Change: VM Snapshot UI with virt-manager

= Proposed Self Contained Change: VM Snapshot UI with virt-manager = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Virt_Manager_Snapshots Change owner(s): Cole Robinson Add UI to virt-manager for easily managing VM snapshots. == Detailed description == qemu and libvirt have all the major pieces in pl

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:30:11PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:48:56PM +, Petr Pisar wrote: > >> I've just spotted usr-move has been completed. > >>

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > Please consider the idea that there is a useful middle ground "Primary" and > "Secondary". With the FESCo-member-as-elected-by-contributors hat on, there really isn't a middle: The individual packagers are either responsible for making the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:35:36 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: I agree, not sure what the contribution to the RPi stuff was like but for the XOs that were given away I'm not aware of a single contribution to any of the Fedora/OLPC/Sugar projects as a result of it. I've done a little testing

[perl-Test-Warnings/f18] Initial import (perl-Test-Warnings-0.007-1)

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 16:24:49 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: Please consider the idea that there is a useful middle ground "Primary" and "Secondary". With the FESCo-member-as-elected-by-contributors hat on, there really isn't a middl

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:57:38PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 07/11/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >=== Build and ship ima-evm-utils package === > >/sbin/kexec will be signed by evmctl. This utility will put an xattr > >security.ima on /sbin/kexec file and kernel will leverage IMA i

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:01:15PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > That's the point. You don't get to be a primary architecture until > > you've demonstrated that doing so won't slow down the other > > architectures > Is that "you don't get

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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

>> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller >> To improve some problematic aspects of the updates user experience >> (long waits, locks), we will use the new hawkey backend for >> PackageKit. > (echo issue with a different bac

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 07:22 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > I'll note that this does slightly undercut one of the tenants of UsrMove -- > that people won't have to guess as to which directory a file lives in; it's > always in /usr/bin. That will still hold true for someone who is the author > of

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > == Scope == > Other developers: > * Use gnome-software instead of gpk-update-viewer when dealing with updates in > gnome-se

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > Release engineering: > > * Make metadata available for packaged applications in Fedora (screenshots, > > icons, ratings,...). Not all of this needs to be in place for F20 > > > > Policies and guidelines: > > * No immediate changes needed; longer-term, we pr

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot > > Change owner(s): Vivek Goyal > > Currently kexec/kdump is disabled on machines with secureboot enabled. This > fe

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:33:27PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:01:15PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > That's the point. You don't get to be a primary architecture until > > > you've demonstrated that doin

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:14:24PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:43:36AM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> > >> > Stack protector is not a new requirement in Fedora. It's been part of > >> > the distribution for ye

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:01:15PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > That's the point. You don't get to be a primary architecture until >> > you've demonstrated that doing so won't

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:53:42AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot > > > > Change owner(s): Vivek Goyal > > > > Cu

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, Jonathan Masters wrote: > And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was > raised by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering > resource is being assigned to correct this deficiency ASAP. Thus within > a day an is

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:46:03AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 07:22 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > I'll note that this does slightly undercut one of the tenants of UsrMove -- > > that people won't have to guess as to which directory a file lives in; it's > > always in

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

Am 11.07.2013 15:05, schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:48:56PM +, Petr Pisar wrote: >> I've just spotted usr-move has been completed. >> >> states: >> >> In addition, Fedora

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On 07/11/2013 04:33 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote: I don't think it would make sense to add more and more Fedora-specific patches which implement security functionality. I don't want Fedora to become the next Android. I don't see those patches going upstream in near term. First of all base secureboot

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 05:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, Jonathan Masters wrote: And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was raised by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering resource is being assigned to correct thi

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-03)

= #fedora-meeting: FESCO 2013-07-10 = Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:01:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-10/fesco.2013-07-10-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 05:02:27PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Promotion is supposed to benefit Fedora, not the architecture being > > promoted. > > Yes, but that is _net_ benefit (benefit - cost). Requiring zero cost > to Fedora doe

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, Jonathan Masters wrote: > And following the legitimate concerns about stack-protector this was raised > by ARM into core Linaro as an urgent action for which engineering resource is > being assigned to correct this deficiency ASAP. Thus within a day an is

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:33:05 AM Vivek Goyal wrote: > Secondly, there are disagreements upstream w.r.t how locking down > executable should happen. IMA folks want some functionality behind > security hooks (as opposed to what I have done). So I am expecting > that once patches do get merged u

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:35:36PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > >> Speaking about hardware - and that's more a question for Spot - could > >> be possible to organize another ro

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:04:51PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > The relentless "I don't want ARM to sully the good name of Fedora" is > absurd: User for user, ARM is considerably more popular than Fedora. No, this is completely wrong. It's entirely propaganda, and you need to stop saying thin

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:50:05AM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > On 07/11/2013 07:33 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >Promotion is supposed to benefit Fedora, not the architecture being > >promoted. > > And you think it would not benefit Fedora. On the contrary, I think a solid ARM port benefits F

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 08:47 AM, Till Maas wrote: IMHO it is also not that easy to get something going with ARM on Fedora. For example I bought a Sheeva-ARM devices to get upstream release monitoring running on it . But even when I got it installed, the device crashed with a kernel soft lockup. BZ#? >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 07:33 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Promotion is supposed to benefit Fedora, not the architecture being promoted. And you think it would not benefit Fedora. So promoting ARM comes at a cost to every individual package maintainer, who now has to do additional work. Do you really t

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 05:19:58PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 07/11/2013 04:33 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote: > > >>I don't think it would make sense to add more and more > >>Fedora-specific patches which implement security functionality. I > >>don't want Fedora to become the next Android. > > > >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:45:34AM -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:33:05 AM Vivek Goyal wrote: > > Secondly, there are disagreements upstream w.r.t how locking down > > executable should happen. IMA folks want some functionality behind > > security hooks (as opposed to wha

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 08:34 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: That's why I'd like to see all of these things fixed *before* promotion. Yes, you've been very consistent, it can be summarized in 3 points: 1. Provide a list of every ARM deficiency. 2. Provide a fix for everything listed in 1. 3. After #1 and

Re: Packages MUST NOT place files or directories in the /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64 directories

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 07:22:39AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > The former is easier... but it then makes me ask, what is the point? If > we're thinking that the /usr/bin/sh location is more correct then we should > be patching dependents to use that location. If we think the /bin/sh Okay, so

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:56 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The llvm maintainer hasn't fixed llvmpipe. Nobody working on gcc has > bootstrapped ada. The llvm maintainer would like to reiterate that he took the package more out of necessity than desire, has no love for llvm itself, is not paid to

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 09:25:43AM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > On 07/11/2013 08:34 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >That's why I'd like to see all of these things fixed *before* promotion. > > Yes, you've been very consistent, it can be summarized in 3 points: > > 1. Provide a list of every ARM

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:01:46AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > But spins are Fedora, same as cloud image is still Fedora (and I don't > see complaints it does not run Gnome Shell ;-). Desktop spin is one Not commenting on the bigger debate at this point, but I want to note that you can, in fac

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 08:12:42PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > There probably is a minimal packageset, though. the kernel, glibc, gcc, > and rpm would all be on my list. Given that fesco has a policy about the > package depsolver having to be the same on all spins, probably the current > depd

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:41:40 +0100 "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:35:36PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Josh Boyer > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Jaroslav Reznik > > >

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Application Installer = > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstaller > > >> To improve some problematic aspects of the updates user experience > >> (long waits, locks), we will use the new h

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: > If we really wanted to talk about graphics on arm, we'd be talking about > writing drivers for GPUs. Is there any use to shipping freedreno and similar projects in Fedora ARM before they get to the upstream kernel? (I expect a brickbat from Josh fairly quick

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Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Application Installer

On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 16:46 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > > Policies and guidelines: > > * No immediate changes needed; longer-term, we probably want to make changes > > to way applications are distributed and installed > > * The update experience will also benefit from proposed changes to ba

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE DM

On 07/10/2013 01:03 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Compared to the current DM, KDM, it currently lacks a few features (such as > XDMCP) but adds some other ones (QtQuick themes) or is currently adding them > (Keyboard layout switching in the greeter). Is XDMCP on the roadmap? It's a pretty darn i

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 03:55 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: I will note that it is not x86 alone. If one is simply going by "as close to the current Fedora experience the current Primary offers", then the PowerPC secondary arch team is actually ahead of ARM. I'm not saying they are a better candidate, but I am p

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: >> If we really wanted to talk about graphics on arm, we'd be talking about >> writing drivers for GPUs. > > Is there any use to shipping freedreno and similar projects in Fedora ARM > before they get to

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

Brendan Conoboy (b...@redhat.com) said: > I'm not up-to-date on the current condition of Power: Are you > specifically referring to GNOME & KDE? If so I'd posit that this is > because GNOME & KDE make a lot more sense on Power than they do on > ARM. Developer energy goes where it's needed & want

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 04:11 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: To expand on this a bit, how do you believe that merging ARM into the build system is going to encourage growth in Fedora? What will it buy you that you don't already have? At first glance, it gets you slightly more timely builds. However, you've alrea

Re: Orphaning packages: PySolFC* and lybniz

Stewart, Thank you for indicate, i'm following this process. Marcelo Barbosa Fedora Project Packager/Ambassador fireman...@fedoraproject.org On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Stewart Adam wrote: > On 2013-07-06 8:20 PM, Marcelo Barbosa - Fedora Ambassador wrote: >> >> Stewart, >> >> I can

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On 11 July 2013 05:40, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot > > Change owner(s): Vivek Goyal > > Currently kexec/kdump is disabled on machines with secureboot enabled. This > f

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 05:08 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: In terms of Fedora experience. You install it graphically via Anaconda. You wind up with Gnome (or LXDE or XFCE) and can run it. Yum works. Security features are implemented and working. Etc. These are the things Matthew is alluding to. In theory yo

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On 07/11/2013 02:04 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:56 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Each sub-community ( be it spins be it various arch ) should need to provide the necessary QA/Releng resources from their sub-community ( if no such thing the relevant party needs to bu

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:58:56AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 11 July 2013 05:40, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kdump_with_secureboot > > > > Change owner(s): Vivek Goyal >

Orphaning mhddfs

I don't really have time to handle packaging mhddfs, and I'm not using it anymore. Would anyone else like to pick up this package? Thanks, =-Jameson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:58:59AM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > Security features are implemented and working- except > evidently pointer guards, which we found out about *yesterday*. The point of this isn't just that it was broken, though - the concern here is that the test suite said it was

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