Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Apr 22, 2014 5:09 AM, "Christian Schaller" wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Liam" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:13 PM > > Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Di

Tuned: Restoring saved settings not working

Hi everyone, I am using Fedora20. I wanted to add a new tuned profile and used the script plugin for the same. This essentially tweaks the cpu frequency governor and min/max frequency settings. When I opt out of this profile, I want the settings to be restored. I have included the restoration fun

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 05:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 22.04.14 09:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > I am pretty sure that a pull model should be the default for everything > > > we do, and push only be done where realtimish behaviour is desired to do > > > live debug

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, 22.04.14 09:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: > > I am pretty sure that a pull model should be the default for everything > > we do, and push only be done where realtimish behaviour is desired to do > > live debugging or suchlike. > > > > I am pretty sure the push model concept is o

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 03:32:26PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 20:58 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > 2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > > 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > > > > > > > A

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:34:48AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 16.04.14 12:46, Bill Nottingham (nott...@splat.cc) wrote: > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez.

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:17:10PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > Examples of "runs once then goes away" services > include iptables and udev. I removed udev from this paragraph on the wiki, since it's persistent and is a bad example. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-04-23)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-04-23 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

java-1.8.0-openjdk i686 and x86_64 rpms

Hi, I see openjdk-1.8.0 got built and pushed as an update for fedora 19 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=505651 . In the past the i686 rpms of openjdk were pushed into release x86_64 repo of fedora 19 (http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora-enchilada/linux/releases/19/Everything/

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/22/2014 10:14 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> I don't think that fixing the broken packages should need to wait for >> this migration to finish -- there is a security problem now, and it >> can be fixed now with local cha

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On 04/22/2014 10:14 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I don't think that fixing the broken packages should need to wait for this migration to finish -- there is a security problem now, and it can be fixed now with local changes to the thirty-something affected packages. By all means provide patches

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/22/2014 09:32 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" >> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >>Hi all- >> >

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On 04/22/2014 09:32 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >>Hi all- >> >>I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable >>them without using the preset mechan

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> Hi all- >> >> I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable >> them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be >> security issues if th

Re: Documentation and Docstring Format

On 04/17/2014 12:09 PM, Tim Flink wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Kamil Paral wrote: https://pythonhosted.org/an_example_pypi_project/sphinx.html#auto-directives I'm not suggesting that we drop everything and fix all the docstrings right now but I am suggesting that we start

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be security issues if they get installed as dependencies. I will revisit all of this once I run the syste

Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-22)

Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-22/ Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This series highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to e

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:31:11 -0400 "Eric H. Christensen" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > I find it difficult to believe that "most users" [don't have Flash > > installed]. AFAIK there is no data t

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 21:31 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > I find it difficult to believe that "most users" [don't have Flash > > installed]. AFAIK there is no data to say either way,

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 20:58 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > > > > > A good protocol would allow to send a first small > > > > packet that establ

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > I find it difficult to believe that "most users" [don't have Flash > installed]. AFAIK there is no data to say either way, and anecdotal > evidence from around here isn't supportive.

Pkgdb2 making it to stg (pre-prod)

Dear all, A while ago I introduced you the dev instance of pkgdb2. Since then, I have been working some more on it. I recently updated pgkdb-cli to work with the new API [1] as well as writing a python module for those that want to script against said API [2]. On March 10th, pkgdb2 made it to sta

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 15:04 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:41 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > >

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, > 2014-04-22 20:50 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lutomirski : > >> If your package has an exception from FESCo permitting it to enable >> itself, > > > Note that many (most?) packages don't need an individual exception by FESCo: > https://fedorap

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > AFAICS this discussion basically says "applications can't depend on > firewalld, therefore they can't use firewalld APIs, therefore they wouldn't > know whether the firewall restircts them, therefore firewalld must be > removed". > > The only given reason wh

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: > On 04/14/2014 10:17 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > >>= Proposed System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL = > >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby193_in_SCL > >> > >>Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová >

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:41 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > > 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > > > >

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

Hello, 2014-04-22 20:50 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lutomirski : > If your package has an exception from FESCo permitting it to enable > itself, Note that many (most?) packages don't need an individual exception by FESCo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default allows fairly wide catego

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > > > A good protocol would allow to send a first small > > > packet that establish a connection and a reply that can "push back" on > > > the client w

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > I think this definitely better way - not being as strict regarding > deadlines for Cockpit and get some test coverage during later Test > Day. I'd be fine with a later deadline for Cockpit if needed, especially since (from the feature page description)

Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be security issues if they get installed as dependencies. As a related issue, it may pay to review the default presets. For example, rpcbind is enabled. Thi

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-21 19:37 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen : > And how are these contributors going to contribute to their proprietary > solutions that we now provide for them? They aren't; isn't that a *benefit* for the open solutions? > How do we support something that is simply provided to us as a bin

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > > > 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention.

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-21 19:07 GMT+02:00 Haïkel Guémar : > Le 21/04/2014 18:37, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > > I spoke too strongly there, I think. We do however give a *very* >> strong impression that using non-FOSS solutions for anything at all is >> unwelcome at best. Consider the recent discussions around

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-21 17:56 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen : > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > ...I'd > > like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all > > the rest: "Functional". > > I think anytime anyone suggests a new foundation that supersedes

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:33:12 -0700 Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Florian Weimer > wrote: > > On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> > >> Would it > >> make sense to audit all spec files to look for instances of > >> 'systemctl.*enable'? > > > > > > I

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > > 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. > > > > This is only true for large managed enterprises, whe

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > > > A good protocol would allow to send a first small > > packet that establish a connection and a reply that can "push back" on > > the client w/o requiring huge bandwidth to be spent. > > > > Is

Re: Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

The issue appears to be varnish-libs-devel over-providing various things (pkg-config, env). Kevin Fenzi fixed it -- thanks! Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On 22 April 2014 05:53, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/21/2014 05:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On 21 April 2014 11:19, Stephen Gallagher > > wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA

Re: Fedora 20 Puppet update and SELinux policy

> From: l...@redhat.com > To: > Date: 04/22/2014 08:47 > > Hello, > > we are rolling out update of Puppet to 3.4.3 in Fedora 20 and Rawhide that > adds one important change. We have found that puppet master was running > unconfined, therefore the Puppet SELinux policy was not effective in Fedo

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> Would it >> make sense to audit all spec files to look for instances of >> 'systemctl.*enable'? > > > I'm attaching the hits for that pattern on the actual RPM scripts in Fedora > rawhi

Re: Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

This is repeatable, and it's not just me that's reporting it. So far it only happens on i686 however. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-df lists disk usage of guests

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. > > This is only true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is > possible in the first place (how many people don

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On 22 April 2014 05:40, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Since you missed the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGgVUYjXQ8 > > I too recommend that everyone gives it a look. It is very insightful > and helpful in understanding what people really

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

Am 22.04.2014 19:01, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher >: > > 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. > > This is /only/ true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is possible > in the first plac

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce : > A good protocol would allow to send a first small > packet that establish a connection and a reply that can "push back" on > the client w/o requiring huge bandwidth to be spent. > Isn't that an inherent capability of TCP? If it is not automatic, maybe it

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. > This is *only* true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is possible in the first place (how many people don't have good backups?), and prevention is bordering on impossible (w

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-20 23:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Seipel : > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:44:58PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > We don't, actually. *Only* applications running in a session of a member > > of the wheel group would have that right, and those applications are > pretty > > much root-equivalent anyway

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-20 22:56 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > than just install one of the already available by default > unsecure operating systems instead damage Linux and bring > it in the same bad shape Note that there *aren't* any major "available by default unsecure operating systems" nowadays: Windows has

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of the >> entire project, but we need less partisanship and more open-mindedness >> at this level. We need people wil

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-21 16:18 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller : > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:30:48PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation "2 used by > > default + 1 used but not used by default" I think. In that case your > > argument is right but it's my tur

Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/work/tasks/5520/6765520/root.log All the scriptlets are failing like this: DEBUG util.py:281: /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory DEBUG util.py:281: error: %pre(glibc-headers-

Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-22)

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-04-22) Meeting started by mmaslano at 15:01:39 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-04-22/env-and-stacks.2014-04-22-

Friends foundation [was Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 05:05:24AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: > As a sidenote, there has been a lot of discussions on this an other Fedora > lists > over the last few Months where people have loudly come out against what they > see > as infringements on the Freedom part of the four F's. Hav

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On 04/22/2014 08:55 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: Some of the choices Przemek suggested don't make sense depending on the context. E.g., full functionality vs. small size / speed I think has a different meaning depending on whether you have a workstation target (which, either way, will include X) or

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 11:17 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of >> the entire project, but we need less partisanship and more >> open-mindednes

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of the > entire project, but we need less partisanship and more open-mindedness > at this level. We need people willing to work together to find out > what is best for the Proje

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:34:48AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Pull is the only model that scales, since the centralized log infrastructure > can > schedule when it pulls from where and thus do this according to > available resources. THe push model is prone to logging bursts > overwhelming

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 05:06:33AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Cutting one week from Alpha/Beta cycle is doable but only when it's > really, really needed. We did this voodoo magic a few times to avoid > Christmas etc. and believe me - that note in the Task Juggler source > for schedule - never

rawhide report: 20140422 changes

Broken deps for i386 -- [MegaMek] MegaMek-0.30.11-13.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat MegaMek-0.30.11-13.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.i686 requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0 [apper]

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:01:31AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Note that it should be relatively straight-forward to implement a > generator (even in shell...) that generates native systemd-networkd > configuration snippets from ifcfg files at runtime (or upgrade-time), > similar to how we c

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

Hi, On 04/22/2014 10:14 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Well, we may end up lawyered by Legal, but I think it's good we try to realign ourselves and clear up few misunderstandings. How do you propose we do that? ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On 04/22/2014 09:13 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: So one of the key questions here is whether the current policy on essentially hiding (protecting?) the user from these external software sources is truly in keeping with our Foundations, Mission and general project health. To be honest, I'm fairl

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 16:10 GMT+02:00 Máirín Duffy : > > To be honest, I'm fairly uncomfortable discussing this without Fedora Legal > weighing in. I don't see any problem with re-visiting the decisions made > along this path, but I also am pretty confident the folks who decided things > had to be this way ar

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Apr 22, 2014 3:05 AM, "Christian Schaller" wrote: ... > > As a sidenote, there has been a lot of discussions on this an other Fedora lists > over the last few Months where people have loudly come out against what they see > as infringements on the Freedom part of the four F's. Having seen this

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

- Original Message - > Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 11:17 -0400, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > > > > > I'm trying to assert with this proposal that the best way for us to > > advance free and open source software is to continue shipping only > > open-source software, while making it easy for

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 08:55 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Hi folks, > >> On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> Is it safe to assume that research is backup by public >>> usability tests? > > On 04/22/2014 07:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 06:34 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 16.04.14 12:46, Bill Nottingham (nott...@splat.cc) wrote: > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redh

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

Hi folks, On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Is it safe to assume that research is backup by public usability tests? On 04/22/2014 07:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: When I invoke Máirín, I usually find it safe to make that assumption, but I'll let her speak for herself o

Fedora 20 Puppet update and SELinux policy

Hello, we are rolling out update of Puppet to 3.4.3 in Fedora 20 and Rawhide that adds one important change. We have found that puppet master was running unconfined, therefore the Puppet SELinux policy was not effective in Fedoras. The puppet package update fixes one little issue (missing runtime

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

- Original Message - > From: "Stephen Gallagher" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:40:05 PM > Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/22/2014 05:43 AM, Christi

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/22/2014 11:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> I'd like to summon Máirín Duffy into this conversation here, if >> she's willing. She's done a fair amount of research into exactly >> how m

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 05:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On 21 April 2014 11:19, Stephen Gallagher > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/21/2014 01:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Mon, A

Re: [GSoC 2014] Welcome to our GSoC students -- Perfect 10 !

Yay! Spamming the list for once, but indeed - congrats to everyone! This time around, we should plan a meeting on irc sometime :-) On Apr 22, 2014 1:16 AM, "Haïkel Guémar" wrote: > Hi, > > Google just published the list of the accepted GSoC proposals: > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On 04/22/2014 11:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I'd like to summon Máirín Duffy into this conversation here, if she's willing. She's done a fair amount of research into exactly how many and what kind of questions are reasonable to ask a user in startup before scaring them off or confusing them.

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 06:23 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 04/21/2014 01:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> >> On 04/21/2014 01:07 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote: >> >> We should think on how we could improve collaboration with >> third-party repos, fedmsg/copr

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 05:43 AM, Christian Schaller wrote: > > > > > - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Woerner" To: >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 >> 11:23:46 AM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation:

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 06:46 -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Nikos Roussos" > > > There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok > > to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary > > services (gtalk, aws, etc)

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

- Original Message - > From: "Nikos Roussos" > There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok > to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary > services (gtalk, aws, etc), but it's not ok to ship proprietary > software, metadata about proprie

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 08:36 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > The language in this Foundation is sometimes dangerously unclear. For > example, it pretty much explicitly forbids the use of non-free > components in the creation of Fedora (sorry, folks: you can't use > Photoshop to create your package

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

- Original Message - > From: "Thomas Woerner" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:23:46 AM > Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall > > On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Ha

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >> >>> * there are network services enabled by default >> >> >> Again that's a bug and a viloation of the guidelines. Which services >>

Re: [GSoC 2014] Welcome to our GSoC students -- Perfect 10 !

On 04/21/2014 10:46 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote: > Hi, > > Google just published the list of the accepted GSoC proposals: > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014 > > We -the GSoC SIG- had a hard time to trim the list of proposals down to > 10 slots and we're very pleased to

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: * there are network services enabled by default Again that's a bug and a viloation of the guidelines. Which services are you talking about? Please file bugs. * avahi is one of them You keep list

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

On 04/20/2014 06:46 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Lukas Zapletal wrote: This is a great change that actually allows other teams that heavily relies on Fedoras to put their software "on hold" for two Fedora releases. And that's a good thing how? Stale software relying on old compatibility libraries i

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

- Original Message - > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Stephen Gallagher > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 04/15/2014 11:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> ...snip... > >> > >>> Special Requests: Cockpit would like to request an additional > >>> 2-4 wee

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

- Original Message - > From: "Liam" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:13 PM > Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall > > > > > On Apr 21, 2014 4:32 AM, "drago01" < drag...@gmail.com > wrote: > > >

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

On 04/16/2014 06:46 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: I understand the pull vs push distinction ... I'm just not clear why pull would ever be a model you'd want to use. (vs something like a local cockpit agent.) Isn't remote Windows event logging pull-only (unless you somehow gate it to syslog)? So

Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-22)

WG meeting will be at 16:00 UTC, 17:00 Central Europe, 12:00 (noon) Boston, 9:00 San Francisco, 1:00 Tokyo in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. == Topic == Comments to topics from lists: * Allow to delete builds/coprs from playground? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2014-Apri