Christian Schaller wrote:
I think the part of the sentence you probably missed was if you are aware
and understand the finer details here, because for anyone who doesn't
understand the finer details here you are suggesting we default the system
to 'broken'.
s/broken/secure/
Secure by default
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:13 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
The default for an invalid TLS certificate should be to fail, no
exceptions, since we know that a user clicking Yes is almost always
picking the wrong option.
Nonsense (and this is one of the reasons I hate Firefox). The
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Brian Wheeler wrote:
Ok, so what product/spin am I supposed to use? I'm a RHEL sysadmin
but I use Fedora on my desktop laptop. I expect the firewall
to be on so when I evaluate a new piece of software or do a bit of
network development I don't inadvertently increase my
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
I think that we should start with the low hanging fruit and simplify the
firewall zones to two : a public, restricted one and a home/private with
more ports open; selected by user for each new interface.
Those 2 zones are basically what is defined now with that
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
The default for an invalid TLS certificate should be to fail, no
exceptions, since we know that a user clicking Yes is almost always
picking the wrong option.
Nonsense (and this is one of the reasons I hate Firefox). The right answer
for an invalid TLS certificate is
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:16:54AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
But seriously, there's an implication in this thread that there will be
work happening to give stuff a path to ask for an open port. Where can we
follow along with that effort? Starting with, say, how I might change
`nikola
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:33 schrieb Chuck Anderson:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:16:54AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
But seriously, there's an implication in this thread that there will be
work happening to give stuff a path to ask for an open port. Where can we
follow along with that effort?
- Original Message -
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based around what
you specifically want, not me, nor anyone else on this list.
If you're a developer, surely you
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based around what
you specifically want, not me, nor anyone else on this list.
If you're a developer,
So, since I was accused of ignoring the main part of this mail, let's
answer it:
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
I think you're forgetting the core tenet of security: good security is
*always* layered.
But Workstation is basically removing the outer layer.
Also yes: I keep my irreplaceable and
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:16:54AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
But seriously, there's an implication in this thread that there will be
work happening to give stuff a path to ask for an open port. Where can
we
follow along with that
On 9 December 2014 at 18:19, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
If you're a developer, surely you know what a port is and can make a few
clicks in firewall-config or system-config-firewall to open it! A
developer who can't even figure that out is a HORRIBLE developer!
Yup, that's me. A
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
* Port forward between two interfaces, which is really useful with
virtualizationFedoraWorkstation (default, active)
interfaces: em1 virbr0 virbr0-nic wlp4s0
sources:
services: dhcpv6-client dns freeipa-ldap freeipa-ldaps samba-client
ssh
ports:
On 12/09/2014 01:45 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
- Original Message -
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based around what
you
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:54 schrieb Brian Wheeler:
On 12/09/2014 01:45 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
- Original Message -
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based around what
you
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:52:01AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
I should have said ask firewalld for a port to be opened - sorry, I
thought that would come from the context.
Are you saying bind() should be talking to firewalld, via
Bastien Nocera wrote:
If you start sharing something on a network, then we consider it safe to
share. If you connect to a public unencrypted Wi-Fi, you won't have the
option to. If you connect to an encrypted Wi-Fi where sharing your holiday
photos isn't acceptable then it won't, because you
On Dec 9, 2014 12:06 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:52:01AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
I should have said ask firewalld for a port to be opened - sorry, I
thought that would come from the context.
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 16:04 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 15:57 schrieb Christian Schaller:
Well I think it is hard for anyone to guess what would be reasonable
defaults for
you specifically, any default is by its nature just targeting an generic
person, which might or
On Dec 9, 2014 11:54 AM, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote:
On 12/09/2014 01:45 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
- Original Message -
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based
On 12/09/2014 02:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based around what
you specifically want, not me, nor anyone
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:16 schrieb Robert Marcano:
On 12/09/2014 02:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
Richard Hughes wrote:
So do I! I'm a developer, which spin do I use so that the firewall
doesn't get in my way? We can't develop a *product* based
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 19:20:10 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* Firefox asks too
* it is not hard to accept a self signed cert
* BUT it is hard enough to defeat the click OK somewhere reflex
There should be a way to disable FF's you need to click twice to accept
certs
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:20 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 19:20:10 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* Firefox asks too
* it is not hard to accept a self signed cert
* BUT it is hard enough to defeat the click OK somewhere reflex
There should be a way to
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 12:09:23PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 12:06 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:52:01AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
I should have said ask firewalld for a port
On Dec 9, 2014 12:38 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 12:09:23PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 12:06 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:52:01AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:51 schrieb Pete Travis:
Hmm... a whitelist of things that are allowed to ask for firewall
accommodation doesn't help me develop new applications at all. And
you're jumping to a really high level UI thing and just sort of hand
waving over the mechanism needed to make it all
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
a prerequisite for develop network applications is understanding of
network basics and if your application don't use networking you are
not affected
But maybe you're part of a team, and not working on the networking part.
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Am 09.12.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Matthew Miller:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
a prerequisite for develop network applications is understanding of
network basics and if your application don't use networking you are
not affected
But maybe you're part of a team,
On Dec 9, 2014 12:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:51 schrieb Pete Travis:
Hmm... a whitelist of things that are allowed to ask for firewall
accommodation doesn't help me develop new applications at all. And
you're jumping to a really high level UI
Am 09.12.2014 um 21:25 schrieb Pete Travis:
Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake
of argument. I share my application with you. The application is
intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the
application for that purpose. You run the
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:25:47PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 12:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:51 schrieb Pete Travis:
Hmm... a whitelist of things that are allowed to ask for firewall
accommodation doesn't help me develop new
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:07:00PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
This kind of sharing features is a security risk to begin with. Users
starting them are part of the problem. A desktop is not a file server.
A desktop isn't a file server, until it is.
Please, take a deep breath, and consider that
On 12/09/2014 04:04 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:25:47PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 12:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:51 schrieb Pete Travis:
Hmm... a whitelist of things that are allowed to ask for firewall
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 20:35:35 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:20 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
There should be a way to disable FF's you need to click twice to accept
certs that are not signed by authorities it recognizes.
why?
Because I have no trust
Am 09.12.2014 um 21:47 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 20:35:35 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 20:20 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
There should be a way to disable FF's you need to click twice to accept
certs that are not signed by
Hey,
I am announcing release of DNF 0.6.3. In more detail here [1]. Try it out!
[1]
http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/12/09/dnf-0-6-3-and-dnf-plugins-core-0-1-4-released/
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On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 22:00:28 +0100,
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
what you completly ignore is the fact with the current warnings of
firefox after accept the self signed cert it no longer wanns *but* if
that cert changes it warns again
This is not a significant threat for
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
If by opening up some ports that would have hampered the user, rather
than protect them[1], we avoid the users disabling the firewall, and
exposing security critical services (such as exposing rpcbind, or
ntpd, or any other root service), then
On Dec 9, 2014 1:31 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 09.12.2014 um 21:25 schrieb Pete Travis:
Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake
of argument. I share my application with you. The application is
intended to listen on the network, you
Hi,
We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master server and
uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the requested command (the
script doesn't support all, just most -install, downgrade, upgrade etc)
against either a single rpm or upgrade all rpms. It uses the exit status
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 08:13:54AM +1030, William B wrote:
* Exploited applications are now more easily able to communicate back
to CC systems. Most applications are not sandboxed, and even if
they were, this sandboxing is not an excuse to open up other parts
of the system.
Note that we
On 12/09/2014 12:28 PM, Radek Holy wrote:
Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install
command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it
might seem. As an example I think it might be something like:
- I call YUM install, because
On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the
Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional
contributors.)
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 04:58 PM, Jon Kent wrote:
Hi,
We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master
server and uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the
requested command
I'd recommend Ansible, it comes with built in primitives for interacting
with yum
- Original Message -
From: Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:28:54 PM
Subject: Poll: How users use DNF
Dear users of YUM and DNF,
I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very
grateful if
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote:
Dear users of YUM and DNF,
I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very
grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF
currently or how would you like to use it. I am
I have yet to port my scripts (https://bitbucket.org/znmeb/osjourno)
from 'yum' to 'dnf'. I'm not sure I am going to unless the live ISO
creation tools also switch. But I have tried both 'dnf' and 'yum'
manually during the F21 alpha and beta test phases. I think there were
cases where 'yum' said
Hi
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:19 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
I have yet to port my scripts (https://bitbucket.org/znmeb/osjourno)
from 'yum' to 'dnf'. I'm not sure I am going to unless the live ISO
creation tools also switch. But I have tried both 'dnf' and 'yum'
manually during the F21
- Original Message -
On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the
Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 18:39:25 Radek Holy wrote:
Wow, I have already received a lot of feedback from you. I have not read it
all yet. I very much appreciate it. Feel free to add even more feedback :-)
I just forgot to mention that even your own aliases, plugins, workarounds and
the
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
In the end, this is a tempest in a teapot. The release is out and it is
done.
The release is out, but there are an expected 13 months of security updates,
of which this ought to be the first.
Kevin Kofler
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On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 12:09:23PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 12:06 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 11:52:01AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote:
On Dec 9, 2014 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
I should have said ask firewalld for a port
Pete Travis wrote:
Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake
of argument. I share my application with you. The application is
intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the application
for that purpose. You run the application, it tries to
Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:07:00PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
This kind of sharing features is a security risk to begin with. Users
starting them are part of the problem. A desktop is not a file server.
A desktop isn't a file server, until it is.
Please, take a deep
Bastien Nocera wrote:
For example, RTSP streaming, Rhythmbox remote control for iOS, music
sharing via DAAP, DLNA sharing via rygel, but also DLNA client usage
(through Videos), and VNC are impacted. This is a non-exhaustive list for
the default applications in the Workstation version.
VNC?!
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
I have mixed feelings for the typo correction/suggestions for arguments
providing package names: I am glad they are case-insensitive because
case conventions in package names are all over the place. On the other
hand I am concerned about possible mistakes (I want to
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 05:46:32 +0100
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Pete Travis wrote:
Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the
sake of argument. I share my application with you. The
application is intended to listen on the network, you know this and
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:08:19AM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
Most users have no idea what NAT, TCP or ports are (nor should they!).
At most they understand *literally* a question like: do you want this
application to be allowed to access the network ? and you better
name the app in the same way
Hi,
We have xkb layouts and m17n input methods to type Indian languages and both
gets installed on GNOME by default. So it always creates confusion for uses
that which are input methods and xkb layouts. However with xkb layouts one
can't write conjuncts or complex characters.
So it would be
Hi,
Thanks, I'll take a look.
Jon
On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:58 Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 04:58 PM, Jon Kent wrote:
Hi,
We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master server
and uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the requested
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