Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > (f) The scheme should function without UEFI. There are plenty of > non-UEFI systems out there. This means that the bootloader might need > to live in a BIOS boot partition, or in flash, or in ROM, or in other > strange places. > Now let's think this through. You're proposing that $BOOT

Retiring iksemel (XMPP library)

2018-06-25 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
It's been FTBFS for a while and the current version has some insecure settings so I propose retiring iksemel fairly soon. As far as I can see it only affects Asterisk and Zabbix. Asterisk's use of iksemel is optional so it should be easy to build without and I suspect the same is true of Zabbix. -

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity WG (once every two weeks)

2018-06-25 Thread jkurik
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Modularity WG (once every two weeks) on 2018-06-26 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Meeting of the Modularity Working Group. More information available at: [Modularity Work

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/25/2018 02:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 25.06.18 13:22, Kyle Marek (pspps...@gmail.com) wrote: > >>> So think about this one bit ahead. Right now it's clear that even with >>> Grub's relatively large contributor base it'shard to impossible to >>> support modern Linux file systems

Re: i686 kernel missing on rawhide / disabling archs in critical path pkgs

2018-06-25 Thread Laura Abbott
On 06/23/2018 02:05 PM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: I've submitted the patch upstream, I hope it fares better than my last attempt. Thanks for that, it looks like the maintainer accepted the package. I took the patch into today's rawhide build and it seems to have completed. I have filed at t

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 25.06.18 13:22, Kyle Marek (pspps...@gmail.com) wrote: > > So think about this one bit ahead. Right now it's clear that even with > > Grub's relatively large contributor base it'shard to impossible to > > support modern Linux file systems properly — even just for > > read-only. See the the

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 25.06.18 09:09, Andrew Lutomirski (l...@mit.edu) wrote: > Now let's think this through. You're proposing that $BOOT be the > ESP. Yes, I think that's wise, but the boot loader spec allows $BOOT to be separate from the ESP, so I am not sure why you are warming this up again. You can merge

Re: New FESCo Meeting Time and Ticket Policy

2018-06-25 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 01:18:04PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Although still, the FESCo meeting agenda used to be place, where it was > obvious, that something probably happened with the ticket and it needs > FESCo (and possibly my) attention. The notification of new issues would > not replace th

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Kyle Marek
On 06/25/2018 06:40 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 22.06.18 14:17, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >>> On Fr, 22.06.18 19:01, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: >>> > Whereas constantly

Fedora Rawhide-20180625.n.0 compose check report

2018-06-25 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 6/138 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20180624.n.0): ID: 252180 Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet_btrfs@uefi URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/252180 ID: 252182 Test: x86_64 universal ins

Re: [Fedora-packaging] DRAFT: Change to Systemd Packaging Guidelines - Was Re: Services that shouldn't be started in the first place

2018-06-25 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Stephen opened this FPC ticket: https://pagure.io/packaging- committee/issue/777 So, I'm stepping back from writing the draft... think it would just slow down the process, since you folks are more clear on what you're wanting - and I'm fine with what both Stephen and Jason wrote previously. On Fri

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default ['id' field]

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 04:40:41PM +0200, Ondřej Lysoněk wrote: > On 14.6.2018 12:06, Jan Kurik wrote: > I noticed the official spec defines a field named "machine-id". AFAICS, > GRUB2 doesn't implement that option, but it supports a field named "id". > Are these used for the same thing? If they ar

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:40 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> On Fr, 22.06.18 14:17, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >>> On Fr, 22.06.18 19:01, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: >>> > Wherea

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2018-06-29)

2018-06-25 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 = #fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2018-06-25) = Meeting started by sgallagh at 15:00:53 UTC. The full logs are available athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2018-06-

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:54 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:47:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> On Mo, 25.06.18 11:23, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: >>> >>> That would break applications like libguestfs which run as non-root and >>> have vali

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Binutils 2.31

2018-06-25 Thread Nick Clifton
Hi Zbigniew, >>> Also, what is the relationship between >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BINUTILS230 >>> and >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BINUTILS231 >> >> BINUTILS230 was the change request to bring in FSF binutils 2.30. This >> is the version that is currently used in r

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20180625.n.0 changes

2018-06-25 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20180624.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20180625.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 4 Added packages: 1 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 21 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 11.41 KiB Size of dropped packages:0 B

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 25.6.2018 16:49, Todd Zullinger wrote: Miro Hrončok wrote: We have 170 packages with blocked dependencies. We also have 176 packages that fail to build from source (+ ~10 more that are being handled). I need your help, I cannot possibly fix 178 packages. I've opened bugzillas for some, but

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Todd Zullinger
Miro Hrončok wrote: > We have 170 packages with blocked dependencies. > We also have 176 packages that fail to build from source (+ ~10 more that > are being handled). > > I need your help, I cannot possibly fix 178 packages. > > I've opened bugzillas for some, but let me ask you via e-mail befor

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-25 Thread Tomasz Kłoczko
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 at 13:02, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: [..] > > not really in the first scenario I gave the user decided to change > > his environment and despite warnings shot himself in the foot, in > > the second the user was handed a loaded gun with no safety and also > > managed to

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-25 Thread Alois Mahdal
Hi, On 06/22/2018 02:25 PM, Till Maas wrote: > [...] >> I think you keep putting some kind of base standard on the hypothetical >> attacker and then your argument is "if they can do X then they can do >> Y". Because we're both SW engineers, the relation between X and Y is >> obvious to us, so yea

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 01:48:12PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:14:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Fr, 22.06.18 13:35, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > > $BOOT being non-vfat is a fairly substantial departure from either > > > BootLoade

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:42:33AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 18.06.18 16:50, Ondřej Lysoněk (olyso...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 18.6.2018 15:27, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Do, 14.06.18 14:20, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > > >> The cit

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 19.6.2018 11:27, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 13.6.2018 15:14, Miro Hrončok wrote: I've just started to build the bootstrap sequence in a side tag (f29-python). I'm now mass rebuilding everything. Will do a couple of rounds before I will look at the logs. If you see you package failing for a

Re: F28's "ImprovedLaptopBatteryLife" causing USB issues?

2018-06-25 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 25-06-18 13:26, Radka Janekova wrote: ref: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedLaptopBatteryLife#Current_status > "Enable USB autosuspend for USB bluetooth receivers by default. If all other USB devices on the laptop also have USB auto-suspend enabled (which typically is tru

Re: Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.6.2018 v 14:03 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:26:48AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> Red Hat is planning on upgrading Bugzilla to BZ5 in September. There's >> a test instance running now at http://bugzilla5.redhat.com/ >> >> Since Fedora is a major use

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 25.06.18 13:46, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote: > Hi, > > > > > Which file system do you have in mind even for this? > > > > > > Unspecified for now. i.e. no change. It would remain ext4 by default I > > > expect, but ultimately whatever anaconda allows. > > IMHO the only thin

Re: Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:26:48AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Red Hat is planning on upgrading Bugzilla to BZ5 in September. There's > a test instance running now at http://bugzilla5.redhat.com/ > > Since Fedora is a major user and stakeholder here, it'd be helpful if > we make sure everything

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
2018-06-25 13:14 GMT+02:00 Miro Hrončok : > On 25.6.2018 12:08, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: > >> Hi, >> trying to update sos to upstream 3.6. >> Failed on f29 target[1] >> >> pushed to f29-python target as suggested and failed again[2] and failed >> also on f28 target[3], missing six module everywhere

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:14:37AM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: > > > On 25/06/18 10:20, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:21:46AM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: > >>On 22/06/18 20:56, Till Maas wrote: > >>>On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 07:24:54PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > Till

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:14:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 22.06.18 13:35, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > $BOOT being non-vfat is a fairly substantial departure from either > > BootLoaderSpec, the original requires $BOOT be vfat, the mjg59 version > > require

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > > > Which file system do you have in mind even for this? > > > > Unspecified for now. i.e. no change. It would remain ext4 by default I > > expect, but ultimately whatever anaconda allows. IMHO the only thing which is reasonable here would be something simple with posix semantics, which

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Binutils 2.31

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:47:04AM +0100, Nick Clifton wrote: > Hi Zbigniew, > > >> Do you foresee any significant issues with this version upgrade in the > >> mass rebuild? > > No. I am currently testing the 2.31 sources on the FSF branch, but so far > everything looks good. > > >> Anything

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:57:28PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 25.06.18 11:54, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:47:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Mo, 25.06.18 11:23, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > >

F28's "ImprovedLaptopBatteryLife" causing USB issues?

2018-06-25 Thread Radka Janekova
ref: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedLaptopBatteryLife#Current_status > "Enable USB autosuspend for USB bluetooth receivers by default. If all other USB devices on the laptop also have USB auto-suspend enabled (which typically is true) this saves aprox. 0.4 Watts of power on an idle

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 25.6.2018 12:08, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: Hi, trying to update sos to upstream 3.6. Failed on f29 target[1] pushed to f29-python target as suggested and failed again[2] and failed also on f28 target[3], missing six module everywhere. spec file has Requires: python3-six but looks like it's no

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 25.06.18 11:54, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:47:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mo, 25.06.18 11:23, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > That would break applications like libguestfs which run as non-root and

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:47:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 25.06.18 11:23, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > That would break applications like libguestfs which run as non-root and > > have valid need to access /boot/vmlinuz* > > Hmm, can you elaborate on tha

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 25.06.18 11:23, Daniel P. Berrangé (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: > That would break applications like libguestfs which run as non-root and > have valid need to access /boot/vmlinuz* Hmm, can you elaborate on that? What precisely do they need there? If it's just the kernel image itself then

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 22.06.18 14:26, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Kyle Marek wrote: > > > Anaconda in F28 currently claims /boot cannot be vfat. However, this appears > > to be an artificial limitation, because `grub2-install` works and makes a > > bootable

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 22.06.18 14:17, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:57 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Fr, 22.06.18 19:01, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote: > > > >> > Whereas constantly changing the ESP, means we need some way to > >> > es

Re: Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Alessio Ciregia
2018-06-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 Vít Ondruch : > > From the notification on the top of the BZ page: Whoops. :-) Thank you. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code o

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 06:04:54AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 16:30 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Kyle Marek said: > > > On 06/22/2018 05:15 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > And basic Unix permissions... because there can be privileged > > > > content in > > >

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 22.06.18 15:54, Kyle Marek (pspps...@gmail.com) wrote: > What is the benefit to sharing $BOOT between different operating > systems/distros? > > I'd like to point out that $BOOT doesn't have to be shared to dual-boot > multiple distros or benefit from other details of BLS. But it's an awf

Re: Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.6.2018 v 11:30 Alessio Ciregia napsal(a): > 2018-06-21 17:26 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller : >> Red Hat is planning on upgrading Bugzilla to BZ5 in September. There's >> a test instance running now at http://bugzilla5.redhat.com/ >> >> Since Fedora is a major user and stakeholder here, it'd be

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-25 Thread Iain Rae
On 25/06/18 10:20, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:21:46AM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: On 22/06/18 20:56, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 07:24:54PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Till Maas wrote: I do not see any reason why a user would put something in ~/bin

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 22.06.18 13:35, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > $BOOT being non-vfat is a fairly substantial departure from either > BootLoaderSpec, the original requires $BOOT be vfat, the mjg59 version > require $BOOT be firmware readable. That is not a complaint, I'm just > making an obs

Re: Heads up: Python 3.7 rebuild in progress

2018-06-25 Thread Sandro Bonazzola
Hi, trying to update sos to upstream 3.6. Failed on f29 target[1] pushed to f29-python target as suggested and failed again[2] and failed also on f28 target[3], missing six module everywhere. spec file has Requires: python3-six but looks like it's not failing preparing the chroot despite the pa

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Make BootLoaderSpec the default

2018-06-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 16:30 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Kyle Marek said: > > On 06/22/2018 05:15 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > And basic Unix permissions... because there can be privileged > > > content in > > > GRUB config and even initramfs. > > > > That's interesting. I genera

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Binutils 2.31

2018-06-25 Thread Nick Clifton
Hi Zbigniew, >> Do you foresee any significant issues with this version upgrade in the >> mass rebuild? No. I am currently testing the 2.31 sources on the FSF branch, but so far everything looks good. >> Anything in particular that maintainers and upstreams >> should looks at? I hope not. T

Re: Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Alessio Ciregia
2018-06-21 17:26 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller : > Red Hat is planning on upgrading Bugzilla to BZ5 in September. There's > a test instance running now at http://bugzilla5.redhat.com/ > > Since Fedora is a major user and stakeholder here, it'd be helpful if > we make sure everything works for us. If yo

Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH

2018-06-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:21:46AM +0100, Iain Rae wrote: > On 22/06/18 20:56, Till Maas wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 07:24:54PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > >>Till Maas wrote: > >>>I do not see any reason why a user would put something in ~/bin that > >>>would mask something in /usr/bin exce

qpdf SONAME bump to 21.1.0

2018-06-25 Thread Zdenek Dohnal
Hi, qpdf has new version - 8.1.0 - and it bumps the soname of shared library to 21.1.0. Only cups-filters depends on it, so I'll manage the rebuild myself. -- Zdenek Dohnal Associate Software Engineer Red Hat Czech - Brno TPB-C signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___

Red Hat bugzilla upgrade coming -- test now!

2018-06-25 Thread Matthew Miller
Red Hat is planning on upgrading Bugzilla to BZ5 in September. There's a test instance running now at http://bugzilla5.redhat.com/ Since Fedora is a major user and stakeholder here, it'd be helpful if we make sure everything works for us. If you find any bugs, report at https://bugzilla.redhat.c

F29 Self Contained Change: Minishift Spin

2018-06-25 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Minishift Spin = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Minishift_Spin Owner(s): * Praveen Kumar * Gerard Braad A Fedora Spin providing an easy way for minishift users to consume fedora as an ISO. == Detailed description == Minishift [https://github.co