# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting
# Date: 2022-12-12
# Time: 16:00 UTC
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto)
# Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.libera.chat
Greetings testers!
It's time for a first meeting since Fedora 37 was released! Let's get
together to check in on 37 and
On Sat, 2022-12-10 at 00:20 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:43 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> >
> > So since this turns out to be less important than I thought (thanks bcl
> > for the correction) I won't poke it much further than I have today, but
> > following up on the
On 12/8/22 07:31, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Tomáš Popela wrote:
>> firefox, because that's what the web based installer should/will use in
>> the end
>
> 臘 A full-blown, 71 MB compressed (!) web browser just to show the UI for the
> installer!
>
> IMHO, the web-based UI is a major mistake
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:43 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
>
> So since this turns out to be less important than I thought (thanks bcl
> for the correction) I won't poke it much further than I have today, but
> following up on the above, I've done a couple of PRs, one to strip more
> stuff in lorax:
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 09:48 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:04 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Richard W. M. Jones:
> >
> > > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> > > are in themselves large) and then you can fetch anything else needed
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 14:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I mean, the modern systems that *need* GPU firmware generally seem to
> > do pretty well with using native resolution and don't perform too
> > badly, especially in the
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 02:38:48PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said:
> > On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 02:17:22PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > > One other thing that I noticed a while back that takes up a chunk of
> > > space is the kernel... it's included inside
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, at 7:30 AM, Ray Strode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:55 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>> This is the direction Daniel was thinking down. I'm waiting for someone
>> with more expertise to reply, but I suspect the reply is going to be
>> along the lines of "yes, we
DNF modules let you install multiple different versions of Python 3, and the
`alternatives` tool lets you change which is the default version invoked by
`/usr/bin/python3`.
However, at least for *Enterprise Linux 8, it seems a lot of packages were
built assuming the distro's default Python
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 12:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I mean, the modern systems that *need* GPU firmware generally seem to
> do pretty well with using native resolution and don't perform too
> badly, especially in the simple installer UI. When I test the fallback
> path on my bare metal
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 17:10 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:06 PM Adam Williamson
>> wrote:
>>
>> > It already *is* compressed, which is why it doesn't get any smaller in
>> > the compressed filesystem image,
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> Is there something that can be done to optimize the RAM usage,
> in spite of the large installer env size ?
What's wrong with the RAM usage now?
We do semi-regularly run into issues with openQA VM's running out of memory. So
far
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Timothée Ravier wrote:
> Using layering will also conflict / not interact well with the move to
> container based ostree image in F38:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable
(I'm only kind of following this thread and I agree we
Once upon a time, Brian C. Lane said:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 02:17:22PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> > One other thing that I noticed a while back that takes up a chunk of
> > space is the kernel... it's included inside install.img (in two places
> > even, although I assume it's hardlinked?),
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:18 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 09:30:29AM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:55 PM Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
> > > This is the direction Daniel was thinking down. I'm waiting for someone
> > > with more expertise
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 09:30:29AM -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:55 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > This is the direction Daniel was thinking down. I'm waiting for someone
> > with more expertise to reply, but I suspect the reply is going to be
> > along the lines
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 02:17:22PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > This is the direction Daniel was thinking down. I'm waiting for someone
> > with more expertise to reply, but I suspect the reply is going to be
> > along the lines of "yes, we *can* do
Hi all,
A couple of weeks ago I announced my intention to retire findbugs-bcel
in EPEL 7:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4VFERXQN6Y6TTVFI45JLX2O6SYLY6ELT/
This was approved by the EPEL Steering Committee on Wednesday:
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 20:33 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:04 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > * Richard W. M. Jones:
> > >
> > > > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> > > > are in
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 03:49:08PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 08. 12. 22 v 19:33 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> >> On that note, /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, and /usr/share/info could be
> >> removed from the installer image if they are present. That likely won't
> >> free
> >> a whole
On Friday, December 9, 2022, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:04 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Richard W. M. Jones:
> >
> > > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> > > are in themselves large) and then you can fetch anything else needed
> > >
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2144909
Upstream Release Monitoring
changed:
What|Removed |Added
Summary|perl-Log-Any-1.711 is |perl-Log-Any-1.712 is
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:04 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Richard W. M. Jones:
>
> > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> > are in themselves large) and then you can fetch anything else needed
> > for the hardware including graphics, right?
>
> I think you
On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 04:41:09PM -0500, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:15 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:56 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> > > > >
> > > I don't think the two are comparable at all, neither in terms of
> > > potential performance
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 15:44 +0100, mkol...@redhat.com wrote:
> Or perhaps drop even the help system ? The help content has actually
> not been updated in a while and does not really have an active
> "upstream" - the Fedora docs moved on to a very different format, that
> can no longer be used to
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 14:42 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 08. 12. 22 v 17:52 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > > No, and we're looking at splitting those out, but the fact is they are
> > > a tiny amount of the overall firmware collection. You could even argue
> > > either way for something like
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 11:12 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:56 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 12:58 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > >
> > > I've done a few passes, dropping a bunch of older firmware upstream
> > > that are no longer supported
Hey folks,
I've started the non-responsive maintainer procedure for pjp
(https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/user/pjp/) with
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2152159
I currently have a pull request that has been blocked for 4 months now:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 8:23 AM Timothée Ravier wrote:
> Adding network-online.target is not hard, I could do that easily
> enough. I would need to change the way the service starts to use a
> flag instead of purely relying on firstboot mode though, since I can't
> make firstboot run on, well
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 10:21 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 10:17 AM wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 15:42 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:31 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > IMHO, the web-based UI is a major mistake and
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 10:46 AM wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2022-11-23 at 15:08 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices
> >
> > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 13:23 +, Timothée Ravier wrote:
> Sorry I'm late here but while I agree with the idea, I don't think
> the implementation is done at the right level.
>
> As currently implemented, this will likely fail as the network won't
> be available / ready:
>
On Wed, 2022-11-23 at 15:08 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices
>
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This proposal will only
On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 11:15 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 12:04:24PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Richard W. M. Jones:
> >
> > > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure
> > > they
> > > are in themselves large) and then you can fetch
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 10:17 AM wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 15:42 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:31 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> > wrote:
> >
> > > IMHO, the web-based UI is a major mistake and should never be
> > > shipped in
> > > Fedora.
> >
> > As I am sure
On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 15:42 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:31 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
>
> > IMHO, the web-based UI is a major mistake and should never be
> > shipped in
> > Fedora.
>
> As I am sure you are aware, it seems a number of distros
> are
On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 08:53 +0100, Tomáš Popela wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:30 AM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 03:28 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:42 AM Adam Williamson
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks! Today I woke
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 7:31 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Tomáš Popela wrote:
> > firefox, because that's what the web based installer should/will use in
> > the end
>
> 臘 A full-blown, 71 MB compressed (!) web browser just to show the UI for the
> installer!
>
> IMHO, the web-based UI is
Dne 08. 12. 22 v 19:33 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
On that note, /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, and /usr/share/info could be
removed from the installer image if they are present. That likely won't free
a whole lot of space, but it's not nothing.
All of those are already stripped:
On Wed, 2022-12-07 at 20:19 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 03:28 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:42 AM Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks! Today I woke up and found
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2151495 , which
>
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:55 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> This is the direction Daniel was thinking down. I'm waiting for someone
> with more expertise to reply, but I suspect the reply is going to be
> along the lines of "yes, we *can* do that, but it's somewhat tricky
> work that involves
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-Pod-MinimumVersion`
that you are following.
Merged pull-request:
``
Package tests and update license to SPDX format
``
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-Pod-MinimumVersion/pull-request/2
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 8:23 AM Timothée Ravier wrote:
>
> Sorry I'm late here but while I agree with the idea, I don't think the
> implementation is done at the right level.
>
> As currently implemented, this will likely fail as the network won't be
> available / ready:
>
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 09:20:13PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 08:22:41AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:12:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > Hello Richard and Guys,
> > >
> > > I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to
Am 09.12.22 um 11:53 schrieb Mamoru TASAKA:
Ralf Corsépius wrote on 2022/12/09 19:01:
Hi,
I am facing a FTBS when trying to rebuild povray due to SPDX-changes:
Not sure this is povray side bug or SDL2 side bug.
Neither am I ;)
Another observation:
Fedora 37's last successful build's
Dne 08. 12. 22 v 17:52 Adam Williamson napsal(a):
No, and we're looking at splitting those out, but the fact is they are
a tiny amount of the overall firmware collection. You could even argue
either way for something like bluetooth due to it sometimes being used
by keyboards.
We actually
Sorry I'm late here but while I agree with the idea, I don't think the
implementation is done at the right level.
As currently implemented, this will likely fail as the network won't be
available / ready:
https://pagure.io/fedora-autofirstboot/blob/main/f/systemd/fedora-autofirstboot.service
Hi Richard,
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 08:22:41AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:12:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > Hello Richard and Guys,
> >
> > I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to sync with upstream.
> >
> > I found the following change in history
On 09/12/2022 09:22, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
These are generated by me running "fedpkg sources". I don't believe
it's possible for non-packagers to use this (since it actually uploads
the file to Fedora servers), but in any case it doesn't matter, just
make a note of the new commit has you
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project:
`perl-Pod-MinimumVersion` that you are following:
``
Package tests and update license to SPDX format
``
To reply, visit the link below
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-Pod-MinimumVersion/pull-request/2
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20221208.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20221209.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:7
Dropped images: 0
Added packages: 2
Dropped packages:1
Upgraded packages: 101
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 219.76 KiB
Size of dropped packages
mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-POE-Test-Loops` that
you are following.
Merged pull-request:
``
Update license to SPDX format
``
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-POE-Test-Loops/pull-request/1
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:06 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 16:51 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 12:58 PM Peter Robinson wrote:
> >
> > > I've done a few passes, dropping a bunch of older firmware upstream
> > > that are no longer supported in any
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 12:04:24PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Richard W. M. Jones:
>
> > You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> > are in themselves large) and then you can fetch anything else needed
> > for the hardware including graphics, right?
>
> I think
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:56 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 12:58 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >
> > I've done a few passes, dropping a bunch of older firmware upstream
> > that are no longer supported in any stable kernel release, also a
> > bunch of de-dupe and linking of
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-POE-Test-Loops`
that you are following:
``
Update license to SPDX format
``
To reply, visit the link below
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-POE-Test-Loops/pull-request/1
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mspacek merged a pull-request against the project: `perl-File-Listing` that you
are following.
Merged pull-request:
``
Update license to SPDX format
``
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-File-Listing/pull-request/3
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* Richard W. M. Jones:
> You only need network / wifi firmware blobs (although I'm sure they
> are in themselves large) and then you can fetch anything else needed
> for the hardware including graphics, right?
I think you need graphics to set up wifi.
Thanks,
Florian
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 06:55:43PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 08:22:41AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:12:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > Hello Richard and Guys,
> > >
> > > I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to
Hi Richard,
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 08:22:41AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:12:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > Hello Richard and Guys,
> >
> > I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to sync with upstream.
> >
> > I found the following change in history
Ralf Corsépius wrote on 2022/12/09 19:01:
Hi,
I am facing a FTBS when trying to rebuild povray due to SPDX-changes:
- In local mock environments, building suddenly waits for keyboard input.
- In koji, building seemingly hangs and never times out (I killed a build job
after 48h hours.
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 11:49:16AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 20:23 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> > The problem I see here is not the presence of the firmware on the
> > image,
> > but the fact that it seems to be loaded into memory despite not being
> > used.
>
> This is the
mspacek opened a new pull-request against the project: `perl-File-Listing` that
you are following:
``
Update license to SPDX format
``
To reply, visit the link below
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-File-Listing/pull-request/3
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Hi,
I am facing a FTBS when trying to rebuild povray due to SPDX-changes:
- In local mock environments, building suddenly waits for keyboard input.
- In koji, building seemingly hangs and never times out (I killed a
build job after 48h hours.
Surprising to me is, this package had built
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Hi,
Am 08.12.22 um 11:05 schrieb Sandro Mani:
Hi
Like so?
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=95082476
Sandro
I noticed, that parts of the content have been moved.
I can't do final judge on that package, as it still contains the desktop
files and if refered by other app
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 08:09:42AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 12:54:16PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 20:43 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022, Chris Adams wrote:
> > >
> > > > Once upon a time, Daniel P. Berrangé
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 02:12:22PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, drago01 said:
> > Again there is no reason why everything on the disk image had to be loaded
> > into memory in the first place. Same way when you boot your installed
> > system, not everything on disk is loaded into
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 6:45 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 08:53 +0100, Tomáš Popela wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:30 AM Adam Williamson <
> adamw...@fedoraproject.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 03:28 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > >
On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 04:42:05PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I've moaned about the sheer amount and size of firmware blobs in other
> forums before, but 214M compressed is *really* obnoxious. We must be
> able to do something to clean this up (further than it's already
> cleaned up - this is
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:12:18PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> Hello Richard and Guys,
>
> I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to sync with upstream.
>
> I found the following change in history update:
>
> commit 2ab1e571717a13edddc572269608e918e449a3b8 (origin/main)
> Author:
Hello Richard and Guys,
I am trying to figure out one PR for ubdsrv to sync with upstream.
I found the following change in history update:
commit 2ab1e571717a13edddc572269608e918e449a3b8 (origin/main)
Author: Richard W.M. Jones
Date: Thu Nov 3 11:33:42 2022 +
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 12:54:16PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 20:43 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022, Chris Adams wrote:
> >
> > > Once upon a time, Daniel P. Berrangé said:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 07:59:20PM +0100, drago01 wrote:
> > >
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