Re: Dav1d 1.4.2 Provides More AVX2 & AVX-512 Performance Optimizations

2024-06-12 Thread Leigh Scott
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Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
Could you by any chance link to the commit that introduces this issue? I'd like to bring this to the awareness of core devs in Ubuntu. -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproj

Dav1d 1.4.2 Provides More AVX2 & AVX-512 Performance Optimizations

2024-06-12 Thread Ryan Bach via devel
MULTIMEDIA Jean-Baptiste Kempf released Dav1d 1.4.2 as the newest version of this speedy CPU-based AV1 video decoder. With this new dav1d 1.4.2 update are yet more performance optimizations for modern systems. Dav1d 1.4.2 brings more AVX2 and AVX-512 performance optimizations to benefit newer A

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 1:35 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > But it is the ONLY approach that is compatible with Fedora policies, and as > such should be required. ESPECIALLY for a package like QEMU that many people > are using. Please provide your audited (by a 3rd party) data that shows tha

Re: F41 Change Proposal: Remove ifcfg support in NetworkManager (system-wide)

2024-06-12 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
> This change proposal aims at removing NetworkManager support for ifcfg > files in Fedora. [snip] > * Proposal owners: drop the following packages: > ** `NetworkManager-initscripts-ifcfg-rh` containing the ifcfg plugin Huh? This contradicts the following paragraph in the simultaneously filed htt

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > It isn't as simple as changing the CFLAGS. QEMU used to check for > the CPU feature at startup, set a flag, and then later use that flag > to choose different codepaths, but this logic was removed. Avoiding > the flag check in hot-paths makes a perf difference. > > So w

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Todd Zullinger
Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Neal Gompa said: >> We may also want to start having a conversation about moving to >> x86_64-v2 RPM arch for x86_64 across the board if we're going to start >> encountering stuff like this. > > Is there a good decoder ring for which CPUs are which level? L

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Neal Gompa said: > We may also want to start having a conversation about moving to > x86_64-v2 RPM arch for x86_64 across the board if we're going to start > encountering stuff like this. Is there a good decoder ring for which CPUs are which level? Looking at all my systems, I

[Test-Announce] Fedora 41 Rawhide 20240612.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2024-06-12 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 41 Rawhide 20240612.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:15 PM Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > > On 6/12/24 14:07, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Yeah, maintaining that long-term seems like a bad idea. [...] But it > > would at least buy us some time so that we don't end up with the > > "surprise, you can't use this release on your

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 6/12/24 14:07, Ben Cotton wrote: Yeah, maintaining that long-term seems like a bad idea. [...] But it would at least buy us some time so that we don't end up with the "surprise, you can't use this release on your hardware if you want to use QEMU!" situation. The root cause seems to be the QEM

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 6:08 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > But it > would at least buy us some time so that we don't end up with the > "surprise, you can't use this release on your hardware if you want to > use QEMU!" situation. Since we don't have complete instrumentation, we really don't know ho

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Daniel P. Berrangé: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:59:25AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> OK, that's a situation that will lead to annoying and unresolvable bug >> reports. Would it be possible to put something in place that would >> check processor capabilities early in execution before hitti

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Ben Cotton
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 12:35 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > It isn't as simple as changing the CFLAGS. QEMU used to check for > the CPU feature at startup, set a flag, and then later use that flag > to choose different codepaths, but this logic was removed. Avoiding > the flag check in hot-path

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 4:00 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:55 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:51:34AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > > wrote: > > > > IOW, if [when] we re

Fedora CoreOS Community Meeting Minutes 2024-06-12

2024-06-12 Thread Yasmin de Souza
Minutes: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org//meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-06-12/fedora-coreos-meeting.2024-06-12-16.36.html Minutes (text): https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org//meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-06-12/fedora-coreos-meeting.2024-06-12-16.36.txt Log: https://me

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 05:35:24PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > It isn't as simple as changing the CFLAGS. QEMU used to check for > the CPU feature at startup, set a flag, and then later use that flag > to choose different codepaths, but this logic was removed. Avoiding > the flag check in ho

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 11:50:00AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > The context is that QEMU has recently merged changes upstream that force > > use of the x86-64-v2 baseline for QEMU, in order get more efficient code > > in the TCG em

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 3:50 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > Neither "Functional" nor "eFficient" are in the Fedora Foundations, > but in general, I think we should prefer the former over the latter. > It's better for the project overall to be a little less efficient than > it could be than to surprise pe

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 5:47 PM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:05:13AM -0400, Ben Beasley wrote: > > This never made it to the packaging guidelines, but FESCo made a relevant > > decision a few years ago: > > > > Libraries packaged in Fedora may require ISA extensions, ho

Re: libtiff-4.6.0-2.fc40 continues to ship old .so.5* libraries

2024-06-12 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 04:58:57PM GMT, David Abdurachmanov wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 5:53 PM Andrea Bolognani wrote: > > On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 02:56:01PM GMT, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > yeah, I've seen this pattern before, but it's not a great way to do > > > things. ;( > > > > > > Probibl

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Ben Cotton
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > The context is that QEMU has recently merged changes upstream that force > use of the x86-64-v2 baseline for QEMU, in order get more efficient code > in the TCG emulator. The changes were made in QEMU's global CFLAGS so this > will affe

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:05:13AM -0400, Ben Beasley wrote: > This never made it to the packaging guidelines, but FESCo made a relevant > decision a few years ago: > > Libraries packaged in Fedora may require ISA extensions, however any > packaged application must not crash on any officially supp

Re: Fedora 41 Python 3.13 mass rebuild status

2024-06-12 Thread Gwyn Ciesla via devel
Thank you to everyone involved! --  Gwyn Ciesla she/her/hers   in your fear, seek only peace  in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Wednesday, June 12th, 2024 at 4:29 AM, Karolina Surma wrote: > On 6/12

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:07 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:59:25AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:55 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:51:34AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 1

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:59:25AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:55 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:51:34AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > > wrote: > > > > IOW, if [when

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Ben Beasley
This never made it to the packaging guidelines, but FESCo made a relevant decision a few years ago: Libraries packaged in Fedora may require ISA extensions, however any packaged application must not crash on any officially supported architecture, either by providing a generic fallback implemen

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:55 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:51:34AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > > wrote: > > > IOW, if [when] we rebase Fedora to the next QEMU upstream release, users > > > with older x86_6

Re: libtiff-4.6.0-2.fc40 continues to ship old .so.5* libraries

2024-06-12 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 5:53 PM Andrea Bolognani wrote: > > On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 02:56:01PM GMT, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > yeah, I've seen this pattern before, but it's not a great way to do > > things. ;( > > > > Probibly filing a bug is a good idea. > > > > It looks like there's only 2 packages

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:51:34AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > IOW, if [when] we rebase Fedora to the next QEMU upstream release, users > > with older x86_64 hardware would likely be unable to run QEMU, from F41 > > onwards, un

Re: Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 8:41 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > There have been various change proposals & associated mailing list threads > over the years about the possibility of moving Fedora compiler toolchain > to build with a newer x86_64 baseline ABI, which have ended up rejected, > with some

Guidance on individual packages requiring x86_64-v2 baseline ?

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
There have been various change proposals & associated mailing list threads over the years about the possibility of moving Fedora compiler toolchain to build with a newer x86_64 baseline ABI, which have ended up rejected, with some quite strong negative feedback. Regardless of the Fedora general po

Re: F41 Change Proposal: Anaconda as native Wayland application (System Wide)

2024-06-12 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 01:52:19PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Tue, 2024-06-04 at 14:26 +0200, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > You should be able to install from Live ISO which we are not > > modifying > > (depends on environment set by SIG owners). However, we won't support > > X11 together with Wayl

Re: Fedora 41 Python 3.13 mass rebuild status

2024-06-12 Thread Karolina Surma
On 6/12/24 00:10, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 10. 06. 24 17:34, Karolina Surma wrote: Hello, The Python 3.13 rebuild is in progress. We plan to merge the side tag soon. I requested the side tag to be merged. https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12155 If you build for f41-python now, there is a risk