ng the "Show Beta Downloads" switch, but there doesn't appear to be
> > any way to download the beta for Workstation or IoT.
>
> Odd. It shows fine here.
>
> Caching issue?
Workstation is fine, IoT is not.
I kept trying to ping people to ensure IoT was prepared for Beta,
, please reply to this
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it. They
likely already pull new releases of their project downstream as a
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velopment and it doesn't seems to be a problem.
Sure, it's not a problem *yet*. Microsoft is only just starting to
crank up the enshittification machine...
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. Have we always had this clash? I don't recall.
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On Thu, 2023-09-14 at 14:50 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:42 PM Colin Walters wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > IIRC
e/f-39/f-39-key-tasks.html
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting
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> Ok, now we are on the same page.
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:04 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 16:49 +0200, Tomas Hrcka wrote:
> > > I thought this was exactly the JSON blob
016563
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/spice/linux/vd_agent/-/issues/26
not being able to copy from or paste into KDE VMs is extremely
annoying, especially for testing.
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On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 20:07 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them.
>
> But every single announcement gets a reply on the mailing list (which is not
> properly threaded in KNode/Gmane,
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 13:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 12:19:05PM +0200, Sandro wrote:
> > On 13-09-2023 08:09, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > From there, it's up to people where they see and respond to them. If
> > > more people are r
On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 10:46 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 13. 09. 23 v 9:08 Remi Collet napsal(a):
> > Le 13/09/2023 à 08:09, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 05:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
&
endpoint use (#1 in my list below). Not
sure if that's your fault or mine, sorry if I left it out of a previous
list.
Does your replacement plan cover the "previous_release" use case, where
we need a list of all the composes for each release in the order they
happened?
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people are responding in discourse than on the mailing list, that
would seem to suggest that there *is* a reason to announce things
there...
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devel@ and the Change owner for comment. Jens, why was this feature not
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PDC version.
I probably meant to try and make it use the PDC version but never got
around to it. The ugly version is working okay in practice, so I
suppose the workaround here would just be to drop the pretty PDC
version and rely on HTML scraping forever (sob).
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round to actually doing it, then at Flock I heard rumours that
somebody's interested in picking up Pagure maintenance again,
so...*shrug emoji*
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, or whether we
should still block on 1. because other tools could potentially create
the same situation. Either way, we want blivet devs to fix this,
ideally (vtrefny).
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project.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria
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hypothetical, should Fedora
> choose to do so, do you know if RedHat would be
> amenable for such use of issues.redhat.com for
> Fedora bug tracking(*).
I think this would be a non-starter as Jira is not F/OSS. Fedora infra
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[3] https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule/issue/113
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> the point?
Yes, and yes. You won't gain anything by explicitly enabling the
updates-testing-modular repo, msuchy could probably drop that from his
test command.
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> On Wed, 6 Sept 2023 at 19:12, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > This message says you're "thinking of adding Passim", but in point of
> > fact, it appears to have been added to the package set already, and as
>
sically fully implemented already (except for
the service start failing). Was this intentional?
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'I am on a metered
> line' which is supposed to do things like that. I don't see anything like
> that on the Mac but I am only 'learning' it now.
NetworkManager has the same concept, but of course it depends on apps
that use data *caring* about it.
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On Mon, 2023-09-04 at 22:26 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
> On Monday, 04 September 2023 at 17:37, Adam Williamson wrote:
> [...]
> > BTW, the email seems kind of weird. There are lots of places where it
> > seems like it's referring to external information
nd of weird. There are lots of places where it
seems like it's referring to external information - "as demonstrated
here", "Previously, we followed this process to update it, but now we
have transitioned to using this method" - but it does not actually link
to anything exter
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o-sans-cjk-vf-fonts and google-noto-sans-math-fonts can't be
installed...I have both installed on F39, so they're not just broken...
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hat. I am dcantrell on IRC and in Matrix chat.
well, the question is not so much how useful is *this* change, but what
*other* changes does coreutils 9.4 introduce. During Beta freeze, it
would be much safer to just backport this specific change.
This is clearly not a Beta blocker, but you can
' means, basically, if a
package like this is blocking the transaction, just remove it).
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I *think* that's everything in your list.
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n the wiki:
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
Have a good weekend and see you on Monday!
[0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria
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ed to the post-revert versions. This is by
design, or rather, it's unfortunate but it would be rather icky to try
and 'fix' it, so folks decided not to. You're expected to be able to do
'dnf5 install dnf' if you run Rawhide and want it back.
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On Sat, 2023-08-19 at 23:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> # Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting
> # Date: 2023-08-21
> # Time: 15:00 UTC
> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto)
> # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.libera.chat
>
> Greetings testers! Once
!
If anyone has any other items for the agenda, please reply to this
email and suggest them! Thanks.
== Proposed Agenda Topics ==
1. Previous meeting follow-up
2. Fedora 39 status, inc. anaconda webUI review
3. Flock report
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; Does anyone object to these proposed changes? Thanks!
>
>
> I think this is a great improvement over what we had.
So, I just realized I never actually made these changes! I've just done
so now:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Critical_path_package=686714=5995
1-5.fc39.i686
wxGTK-webview-0:3.2.2.1-5.fc39.x86_64
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by the Branch date. Thoughts appreciated! Ideally over on discussion,
but if you really really hate discourse, I guess reply here. :D
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es
> DNF leaves behind and what not.
>
> BTW I have also asked the mass-prebuild maintainer for help:
>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/packager-tools/mass-prebuild/-/issues/86
I think only the mass-prebuild maintainer can help you there. dnf5
cannot be set to provide dnf, because it...
the
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is here, but in general, we recommend
against pulling from the Docker registry, as it is not updated very
often. It's much better to pull from registry.fedoraproject.org or
quay.io , as those are updated with every Rawhide compose.
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On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 08:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 10:58 +0200, Pavel Raiskup wrote:
> > Hello maintainers!
> >
> > Let me announce a new release of Mock v5.0 (the chroot build environment
> > manager for building RPMs).
> >
>
ke a valid pyproject.toml ).
I'd then put the receptorctl bits - the Python lib and the CLI command
- into a subpackage that requires the main package(s), since it seems
to be essentially an optional bit...
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ERROR: Command failed:
# podman pull registry.fedoraproject.org/fedora:rawhide
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On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 11:42 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > This is a big deal, because even users who don't use modularity at all (but
> > have not uninstalled fedora-repos-modular) will not be able to upgrade to
> > Fedora 39+ without reaching for help.
> >
consequences, and the
waiverdb one will have to wait on a waiverdb admin to review it. Once
that is fixed, waiving failed tests that have chained dependencies
should work properly.
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https
t look good.
For now I'm rebuilding the openQA base images on the new compose and
going to bed, will see how things look in the morning.
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On Mon, 2023-08-07 at 15:12 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-08-07 at 19:59 +0200, Nicola Sella wrote:
> >
> > 2. If you would rather not use the side-tag OR you are updating after the
> > packages are available in rawhide, you should have no issues. The same t
l not be around at 10:30 UTC, I'll be awake about 1500 UTC I
guess.
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system so as not to break tests on all subsequent updates. Also, there
needs to be a PR for fedora-comps to revert the dnf5 migration there
(and anywhere else it happened).
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in. So I'm a bit confused as to why you'd
do a mega-update for branched releases but not for Rawhide? What's the
difference?
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On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 23:43 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Practically speaking, we should be able to just re-run the tests and it
> should come out good. I'll bonk that button now.
Ah, as the failure wasn't a gating one, Bodhi doesn't show the Re-
Trigger Tests button. So I
ener use the ERROR outcome, now we have it).
Practically speaking, we should be able to just re-run the tests and it
should come out good. I'll bonk that button now.
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doesn't actually cause
immediate issues in real-world cases because of the 'stale' tree that
remains on the official repo location.
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https:/
I think.
IIRC, anyway.
But yes, if you have any modules enabled, the experience is going to be
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does something about it, it always *will* be. Keeping the last
set of modular repos frozen in amber forever doesn't seem like the best
permanent situation :)
So this is still an issue, but at least it doesn't actually immediately
break upgrades to Rawhide using the default dnf config. I'l
On Mon, 2023-07-31 at 16:45 -0500, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 08:59:18AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2023-07-28 at 21:41 -0500, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > As part of the Fedora Asahi SIG
move the logic out of
> nsswitch into a configuration file.
If mdns is the thing that lets me just do 'ssh somehostname.local' to
reach that host on my local network, then yes, I use it. I have no idea
what configuration it should have, except that that should work OOTB,
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distro-repoquery fedora rawhide --whatrequires
> 'libplist++-2.0.so.3()(64bit)'
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:06:02 ago on Fri Jul 28 21:28:27 2023.
> libplist-devel-0:2.2.0-11.fc39.x86_64
>
> If any package is not on this list, please build it against the side
> tag; we are g
gle combined update from the side tag
once it's ready. Thanks!
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f5
alongside it if you like) is what was the state in Rawhide for several
months before we flipped it so dnf5 provided /usr/bin/dnf , and is
still the state in F38.
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g honest about the status and
> > realistic about timeframes and needed work. Kudos!
>
> I'd like to second that, these decisions are never easy to take and thank you
> for having the courage of making it.
Me too, thanks to Samantha and the team. There's nothing to be ashamed
of here!
This
would be some fairly major surgery, though (and increase the load on
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tomorrow!
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enough time to be online the last few months already.
Whew, well, at least we managed to slip one through there, eh, fellow
minions? Now, I'd just better be careful not to send this to any public
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ct.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/669
and
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/opt-in-opt-out-a-breakout-topic-for-the-f40-change-request-on-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation/85395/425
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perhaps these
kinda aliases could be defined in a config file for mirrormanager, and
we could deploy such a config file from ansible?
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or the other to proceed. This has come up
in the discussion on discussion.fp.o .
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> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > This is the wrong question, kinda. There is no detailed step-by-step
> > process. The process for creating a compose is, more or less, "push the
> > magic COMPOSE NOW" butt
ng you to a Koji
task, where you will find the actual logs, e.g. the pungi 'log' for the
KDE live media creation is
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20230716.n.0/logs/aarch64-x86_64/livemedia-Spins-KDE.aarch64-x86_64.log
, which points you to
https://koji.fedora
On Sat, 2023-07-15 at 12:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-07-15 at 15:01 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 12:25:48PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote:
> > > One missing piece might be for Fedora organization to commit to a
> >
s://geoip.fedoraproject.org/city ,
so you can go there manually and see what data it gets from you.
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r making a compose:
https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11497
The bug in rpm was then fixed later, in 4.18.91-6.fc39:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-81ae8f677d
and so we re-tagged 3.42.0. If you still have crashes with rpm-4.18.91-
6 or later and sqlite-3.42.0, this is a problem
nto quite a lot of
smaller 'paper cuts', like `dnf history info ` doesn't
work...just today I found that installing an older kernel doesn't work
(older dnf does this just fine)...there are quite a lot of these at
https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5/issues .
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On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 15:18 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 01:57:16PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 21:45 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-129c8286a0
> > >
> >
why3-1.6.0-1.fc39 tagged into f39-signing-pending by
bodhi [still active]
which implies it's waiting for robosignatory to notice it's pending
signing, and sign it (at which point bodhi takes over again). I don't
know what the hold-up with robosignatory is. Kevin may.
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rt testing the update till that message is published.
I'm not sure why they seem to be sometimes being published late,
recently, but I'll try and look into it if I can.
Oh, the answer to one other question Richard asked: Bodhi indicates
which tests are "
On Tue, 2023-07-04 at 12:21 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-07-04 at 18:29 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 04. 07. 23 18:11, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2023-07-04 at 16:51 +0200, Tomáš Hrnčiar wrote:
> > > > Hello.
> > > >
On Tue, 2023-07-04 at 18:29 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 04. 07. 23 18:11, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-07-04 at 16:51 +0200, Tomáš Hrnčiar wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > As you might already know, we have recently conducted a Python 3.12mass
ests, all other Rawhide updates will fail gating until the failures
are resolved.
I would have to do some degree of work on the scheduler to let it test
an arbitrary tag - right now it can only test by update ID or Koji task
ID - but I could probably do that in a few hours.
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ackager
> @freeipa-server
> @headless-management
> @network-server
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> @smb-server
> @standard
> @system-tools
> @workstation-product
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> (That is, all critical-path groups + some more.)
It is missing critical-path-kde at least. Is this a typo, o
itely get improved, but it is important to understand
exactly how the current mess works before you set about fixing it. :D
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> Macs.
Hmm, well, why don't we do that? It knows/knew about PPC Macs and Intel
Macs, after all...
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oing on with the inheritance stuff. :D It definitely
needs to be evaluated at least. You can just do `grep include *.ks` in
the fedora-kickstarts repo to get a feel for everything.
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ormat"? Kickstart is at least 11 years older than
TOML, though probably much more (with a quick search, the earliest
definite reference to kickstart that I can find dates to Red Hat Linux
8.0, released in 2002; TOML's first release was in 2013, per
Wikipedia).
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station over, I don't think, but I think we should
at least have a *plan* for them. And ideally a timeframe.
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can debug a simple live image failure in about thirty seconds ("oh,
look at anaconda.log, it failed because of a broken dependency" is the
most common scenario) and probably fix it in less time than it would
take to reproduce the build.
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On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 12:58 +0200, Ondřej Budai wrote:
> Hi Adam and Ben!
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:14 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > In terms of testing: we already test the existing toolchain pretty
> > effectively in practice. openQA
On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 04:23 -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 12:52 AM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 17:59 -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote:
> > > The Koji integration leaves many things to be desired. I've had to dig
> &
generate easily-human-readable logs as well
as/instead of the JSON-formatted ones?
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ot install to a 2G system, but AFAIK that has not
yet been demonstrated. It would seem reasonable to test it before
deciding we have a huge blocker issue here.
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