Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:59:13 +0200, Paul Wouters wrote: On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Disable/uninstall prelink for FIPS. I tried that. I submitted a patch for prelink to un-prelink on de-install in %preun. It has been ignored by you for over a year and I seriously had

Re: prelink performance gains

2013-10-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:12:00 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:05:03PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: i=0;time while [ $i -lt 1000 ];do /usr/bin/gnome-open --help /dev/null;i=$[$i+1];done I hope we can all agree that this is not useful example. Explained

Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

2013-09-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:21:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are more than one because they never faced it as all the years before My

Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

2013-09-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil: My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu item there having multiple Fedora items

Re: Ananconda

2013-09-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:12:41 +0200, Phil Dobbin wrote: I was wondering as to why Ananconda has no facility to overwrite a distro already present on the target machine. I've studied it apart from destroying the existing partition with GParted there seems to be no other way (this happens on 18

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 23:53:53 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 02:21:45PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: It is the dwz (=debuginfo size optimizer) option -m: -m FILE --multifile FILE [...] create ELF object FILE and put debugging information duplicated

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:39:00 +0200, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: But anyway, pure content-based build-ids are IMHO misguided (since they presume non-conflict from external coincedences), thus my salting proposal/patch in BZ1002341. The fix is in debugedit. This means that use of dwz in non-rpm

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:56:26 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/da/39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709.debug which is a symlink to: /usr/lib/debug/.dwz/ocaml-pcre-7.0.2-5.fc21.x86_64 [...] /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/da/39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709.debug

Re: What does it mean if two debuginfo packages create the same dwz build ID file?

2013-09-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:17:28 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: What I didn't understand is what these /usr/lib/debug/.dwz/* files are. Are they related to some files that we're building and how? It is the dwz (=debuginfo size optimizer) option -m: -m FILE --multifile FILE [...] create

Re: Heads up! I'm going to upgrade Wireshark up to 1.10.x in Fedora 18

2013-09-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:42:20 +0200, Peter Lemenkov wrote: I'm afraid that's just adds additional work for maintainers w/o any visible benefits. The benefits are the stable Fedora release does not break 3rd party applications during its deployment/lifecycle. Let's move further instead of

Re: Rebuilding gcc on Fedora 18 - Howto build i686 packages on a x86_64 machine

2013-08-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:48:24 +0200, Jon Miller wrote: How do the experts build the i686 x86_64 packages? (I did notice the Build Host varies between the two, so I'm wondering if I need to build a 32bit Fedora 18 instance to repeat this build process?) With some packages it is possible to run:

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-08-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:25:37 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: neither Ekiga nor Linphone can make a call with http://voocall.cz SIP provider. It works with Twinkle. (All F-18.) Ekiga Bug with pcaps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705783 Linphone Bug with pcaps: https

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-08-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote: I *once* had Ekiga working, but it gave me so many problems a few years ago that I had given up on it. Exactly. I even bugreported multiple SIP incompatibilities and got them

Re: gdcm FTBFS: texlive broken in rawhide?

2013-08-06 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 20:38:27 +0200, Mario Ceresa wrote: -- -- vtk-devel-6.0.0-7.fc20.x86_64 Error: Package: 3:texlive-dvips-bin-svn30088.0-0.3.20130608_r30832.fc20.1.x86_64 (build) Requires: texlive-kpathsea-lib = 3:2013-0.3.20130608_r30832.fc20 Installing:

Re: latex not working in F20: I can't find the format file `latex.fmt'!

2013-08-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 09:47:02 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I'm BuildRequiring the following: BuildRequires: texlive-texconfig, texlive-latex-bin-bin, texlive-dvips-bin BuildRequires: texlive-metafont-bin, texlive-cm, texlive-ec BuildRequires: texlive-preprint, texlive-cm-super,

Re: Koji builds on a particular architecture?

2013-08-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:44:31 +0200, Peter Oliver wrote: Does anyone know if there's way for me to force Koji to build a noarch package on ARM?? Koji should run each noarch package on every arch (or arm + 1 non-arm) to catch various packaging bugs. At least during mass rebuilds. Jan -- devel

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-29 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 21:36:54 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: On the other hand with doc-only subpackages I personally think that it would often make sense to install into the main package's docdir instead of creating a separate dir, e.g. for a package named foo, IMO it's better to have all docs in

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-29 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:58:19 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: If it should be /usr/share/doc/gdb/ then rpm macros need to be changed first accordingly to s/-doc$// on the directory name. I don't think that's desirable. And a reason why? Therefore currently keeping the path

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-29 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:38:21 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: I'm not convinced that there is a real need to give each subpackage its own directory in /usr/share/doc. For example -devel subpackage documentation is typically not interesting for a user searching normal documentation. Moreover one

Re: Backslash swallowed by %configure on koji rawhide build

2013-07-25 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:03:57 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 07/25/2013 10:52 AM, Jamie Nguyen wrote: Today, the %configure macro swallowed a backslash linking the next line, [...] Looks like breakage caused by the recent libtool-related hardening hackery in redhat-rpm-config

Re: icedtea-web installed and enabled by default in Fedora 19

2013-06-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:09:57 +0200, Dan Mashal wrote: if I'm doing anything Android related (or other various things) I must use sun jdk/jre. Is it filed/tracked/known? Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: debuginfo package

2013-06-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:37:09 +0200, Peter Hatina wrote: cpio: wireshark-1.2.15/asn1/x509if/packet-x509if-dis-tab.c: Cannot stat: No such file or directory [...] Does find-debuginfo.sh get confused, or where do those non-existing files come from? They come from #line cpp directives which get

Re: debuginfo package

2013-06-11 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:59:15 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Interesting .. that explains a bug in OCaml builds too: In fact this bug is very common across packages, there was an attempt to check all the debuginfos and possibly file Bugs but it has never been finished: Bugs in debuginfo

Re: ELF program header table in MiniDebugInfo files

2013-06-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:19:17 +0200, Martin Milata wrote: I noticed that the MiniDebugInfo files in Fedora 19 (F18 too) have different ELF program header tables than the corresponding binaries and separate debuginfo files: MiniDebugInfo files are symbol files only, they are not intended for

Re: ELF program header table in MiniDebugInfo files

2013-06-05 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:25:27 +0200, John Reiser wrote: On 06/05/2013 05:42 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Segments are irrelevant for symbols. There is a problem with objdump and MiniDebugInfo and gdb treating ElfXX_Phdr records as don't care. The problem is that other parts of the debugging

Re: Info in Konqueror

2013-05-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:25:36 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Looking through the manuals of GDB, GCC and Make, I get a seemingly random mixture with some paragraphs in a Courier-like font with a fixed line length, and some paragraphs in a variable-width sans-serif font and adapting to the width of

Re: Package webkitgtk

2013-03-31 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:05:08 +0100, Thomas Meyer wrote: I already have the debuginfo packages installed: This was explained by Rex Dieter, it is due to -g1 used from webkitgdb.spec: # Build with -g1 on all platforms to avoid running into 4 GB ar format limit #

Re: Package webkitgtk

2013-03-30 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:03:22 +0100, Thomas Meyer wrote: I encounter this crash in eclipse: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928783 In the backtrace is: #6 0x7fffbe51c92e in WebKit::core () from /lib64/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 No locals. #7 0x7fffbe4ef8f8 in

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013-03-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:03:16 +0100, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Has Fedora *ever* had a functional soft-phone? I ask this because I have tried many, and none of them *ever* worked [...] I've successfully used Twinkle for

Re: dial-up comps group?

2013-03-08 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:30:35 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: I am pretty sure that linux-atm is likely unused by residential users in 2013. ( ie, it kinda need some specific hardware to be used, my internet access use it but that's the modem job to do it, I just interface it with plain ethernet

Re: Testing valgrind in rawhide (separate valgrind-debuginfo package)

2013-03-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:13:47 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 14:38 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: [...] ==11843== 56 bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 6 of 6 ==11843==at 0x4A06409: malloc (in /usr/lib64/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so)

Re: Testing valgrind in rawhide (separate valgrind-debuginfo package)

2013-03-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:38:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: ==11843== 56 bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 6 of 6 ==11843==at 0x4A06409: malloc (in /usr/lib64/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so) ==11843==by 0x38EAC861F9: strdup (strdup.c:42) ==11843==

Re: Testing valgrind in rawhide (separate valgrind-debuginfo package)

2013-03-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:20:40 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: It is kind of funny that gcc generates better/fuller debuginfo with higher optimizations these days. There is even -Og for debugging as the best of -O0 and -O2 but I do not have much practical experience with it yet. Jan -- devel

Re: Customizing Firefox Search.

2013-02-14 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:03:41 +0100, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Any know of a way to build a customized search into firefox. Basically I want to setup a search pull down which is hard coded to a particular site. [...] I use many such pre-set searches - make a bookmark with: Location:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:16:58 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Big +1. What will an unsuspecting user think when he downloads, burns and tries Fedora on 32bit machine? That it's broken, From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-04 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:23:45 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/04/2013 02:42 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. Could you provide more details

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:22:16 +0100, Nikos Roussos wrote: True. Or others might consider it productive. Same goes for all Desktop environments. That's why I said that I see no real argument here for changing our default desktop. Could we make a web poll for preferred desktop and make the top

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-19 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:57:38 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more helpful to file bug reports and post them for discussions because its easier to keep track of. I have already filed enough stopper Bugs for btrfs and nothing

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:18:19 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely must be fixed before it can become the default (both affect virtualization, coincidentally): It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes

Re: Shall we modify '-g' to '-g3' to have gcc save the macro info?

2013-01-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:12:29 +0100, xning wrote: Shall we should modify '-g' to '-g3' to have gcc save the macro info? So when we install *-debuginfo packages, we can look up a macro definition, just like we can look up a function definition. That would be great, I have not found any official

Re: Installing glib2-devel.i686 alongside glib2-devel.x86_64 on Fedora?

2012-12-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:30:25 +0100, Ilyes Gouta wrote: file /usr/bin/gdbus-codegen from install of glib2-devel-2.32.4-2.fc17.i686 conflicts with file from package glib2-devel-2.32.4-2.fc17.x86_64 Not addressing here. file /usr/share/glib-2.0/gdb/glib.pyc from install of

Re: firewalld and Ekiga

2012-12-27 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:09:51 +0100, Antonio wrote: My internet connection implicates an outdoor antenna equipped with a management software that includes a firewall (as well as other services like NAT, UPnP, DDNS, ...); After trying to workaround this and that ISP/WiFi router I have found most

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-12-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:56:24 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: On 11/13/2012 10:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: Sometimes things aren't ideal for one group in favor of another. WHAT group is actually in favor of MiniDebugInfo? It has one single person as the feature owner. ABRT

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:23:16 +0100, Mat Booth wrote: Won't you need to retire it when elfutils obsoletes it? The development is not yet at that point, it may happen later: (1) elfutils needs to integrate it and get released first (January/February), being worked on with Mark Wielaard:

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:00:17 +0100, Josh Boyer wrote: So are you not orphaning libunwind until that is merged into the upstream kernel? To get the terminology right: I am 'orphaning' it now. Later it may be 'obsolsted'. If I should keep it formally maintaining I could. But factically it

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:22:08 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:00:17 +0100, Josh Boyer wrote: So are you not orphaning libunwind until that is merged into the upstream kernel? To get the terminology right: I am 'orphaning' it now. Later it may be 'obsolsted'. Probably

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:44:24 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 26.11.12 11:23, Mat Booth (fed...@matbooth.co.uk) wrote: On 24 November 2012 07:40, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, as elfutils package is going to contain unwinder in its next release

Re: Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:48:00 +0100, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: But these are just implementation. Ideally we want every package that gets released to the users to have a maintainer that is watching bug reports and attempting to fix anything serious. There are serious bugs so that some cases are

Orphaning libunwind

2012-11-23 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, as elfutils package is going to contain unwinder in its next release orphaning the libunwind library. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/libunwind Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 8 (TC8) Available Now!

2012-11-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:39:29 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: please no - O2 is a performance improvement while minidebuginfo is the opposite, not only bloating the size, also bloadting the data to laod from disk FYI minidebuginfo does not affect loading from disk (mostly) in any way. See 'readelf

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:30:47 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: Definitely not a bug. If it is a bug of anything then of the prelink script that it does not check the battery status. OK, it depends whether you want to make some configuration of cron which scripts should or should not be run on battery or

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:42:00 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: And I wouldn't be so presumptions as to state authoritatively what is or is not a bug, in something whose purpose is not known to me. Non-existing /proc/self/exe file is a normal UNIX process state so a UNIX process not being able to

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:19:23 +0200, Sam Varshavchik wrote: It took me a while to figure out why my daemon kept breaking all the time, when it couldn't stat its /proc/self/exe any more. This is a bug of the daemon. While it is already suspicious it needs to mess with /proc/self/exe stat works

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:50:39 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: only prelink is good with zero benefit? Yes, without that zero benefit. prelink has provable startup performance improvement and runtime memory savings. i did not notice ever any benfit of prelink even by starting large applications

Re: prelink should not mess with running executables

2012-07-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:37:26 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: you must start openoffice damned often that the benfit beats out the overhead of the /etc/cron.daily/prelink When you prelink it nightly on AC and run it at least once on battery, the saving has been done. to beat the battery drain of

Re: Updates: karma and timeouts

2012-07-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:09:05 +0200, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I think if those packages are languishing, it's like the packager was already notified and chose not to push. Package goes into testing with the goal to get into stable. Therefore by default it should go into stable when it gets

Re: time to fix silly ssh bug

2012-06-19 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:37:43 +0200, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Yes allowing any user to list/read any content in your home dir would be a bad default. Why? It would be different default, it would be the default that always has been that way on UNIces. It is useful to learn how other users have

Re: redhat-rpm-config and rpm-build (fwd)

2012-06-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:03:59 +0200, Jens Petersen wrote: Well I tend to agree: it would be the least surprising behaviour for most fedora packagers. Though I understand the point about keeping rpmbuild generic - I don't see how pulling in redhat-rpm-config would break generic rpms? Surely

Re: multilib conflict with doxygen generated pdf

2012-06-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:12:18 +0200, Xavier Bachelot wrote: I was able to fix the same multilib issue with the html files by modifying the footer to not include the timestamp, Could you suggest how in: popt-devel.i586 conflicts with popt-devel.x86_64

Re: Easy way of testing packages?

2012-06-02 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:53:14 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Unfortunately, this also only works once the package is actually pushed to updates-testing. That's of course because yum still pulls it from updates- testing (yum cannot pull directly from Koji as the required metadata is not there),

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-26 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:50:31 +0200, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: - You're in IRC or email, and all the bug reporter has given you is a random copy and paste from their terminal. They don't care to open a bug; they don't much care about anything except getting a fix. Minidebuginfo would

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:28:16 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: However, the whole thing is useless unless we agree that we want to enable this by default. It seems some people like the idea, whereas others disagree that its worth the increased binary size. It doesn't look like either side is

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:07:06 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: 2) The results of the MiniDebugInfo is not perfect, and there is a theoretically perfect approach. So we should not spend time/energy/space/bits/whatever on the non-perfect appraoch. However, the perfect approach has

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 15:34:28 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: I don't think there has to be a specific problem. In fact, I think Fedora shouldn't really care what *my* problem is. What is interesting is: I have this feature; It has a certain cost (increase in size) and it gives certain

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:35:57 +0200, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: jan.kratochvil wrote: If your feature does not solve any problem it is just a bloat. This overstates the case. Alex's proposal clearly solves some problems. This is just about wording. My reaction was to: I don't think

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:20:15 +0200, Casey Dahlin wrote: Just go do it. See who actually shows up to stop you. I am sure this is significant enough distro change to require FESCo decision. Regards, Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: How to proceed with MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-24 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:53:48 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: So, where to go from here? For the gdb change, I think the ideal case would be to push the gdb support upstream (I have no idea what upstream thinks, though), second best is to convince Jan and Sergio. I have no problems accepting the

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-22 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:23:56 +0200, Jesse Keating wrote: So that the NVR- hash mapping needs to be done by 'fedpkg verrel' which (a) requires network connectivity contradicting GIT local repo, (b) is slow. Hrm, in what way does it require network connectivity? gitbuildhash does require

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-21 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 21 May 2012 18:47:05 +0200, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: i.e. there was no empty line so git chucked them all into subject when generating mails. Now they do: line one - line two - line three There is primarily missing the first line: * Mon May 14 2012 Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 08 May 2012 15:03:28 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: Take this post for instance: https://plus.google.com/110933625728671692704/posts/iFXggK7Q8KJ + On Tue, 08 May 2012 15:10:28 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Wrong. From /me you don't get abrt reports at all, because abrt simply is a

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 09 May 2012 09:27:57 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: So, having at least some level of quality local backtraces will still be good even if ABRT becomes better. Some new option is always good. Questionable is what should be the default. IMO ABRT Retrace Server should be the default one

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 09 May 2012 10:35:16 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: Server-based trace generation requires uploading a potentially large core file (which probably can be reduced using mozilla-like minidumps). mozilla-like minidumps would bring us unusable backtraces due to other reasons such as GDB Pretty

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 09 May 2012 13:32:08 +0200, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: As for the bandwidth limitations when using ABRT - I hope Lennart's core stripping library might help here. But this degrades backtrace quality again as I have shown in:

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 09 May 2012 13:33:29 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: That would means 43Mb larger I guess you mean 43MB and not 5MB. Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-08 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 08 May 2012 08:34:57 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: Its true that that is all the information you need from the process/core. But you need to have the rest of the information availible *somewhere*, such as on a global retrace server or just having it locally in the minidebuginfo. The

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 15:07:20 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: I just wrote a new Feature proposal for shipping minimal debug info by default: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo The several choices is missing the primary possibility of no debug info needed at the client side

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 16:34:27 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: For bug reporting, you don't need to upload core files, if all you want is to augment backtraces with symbol info and perhaps line info, then all you can do is just upload backtraces without symbol info/line info, supply the relevant

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 17:15:17 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: * They don't work offline, or before/after the network is up + * Its problematic to use a retrace server during early boot, or e.g. in non-session apps like a daemon /var/spool/abrt/ stores them for later GUI upload, it already

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 17:29:12 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 05:25:29PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 07 May 2012 16:34:27 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: For bug reporting, you don't need to upload core files, if all you want is to augment backtraces with symbol

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 17:40:18 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: on the individual machine, There is no backing reason for this requirement. It does not matter where. without having to keep coredumps, Core dump currently always have to be shortly stored on the disk anyway, even for using

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 18:10:17 +0200, Colin Walters wrote: My experience is otherwise; just look at how the kernel works in practice. People often post stack traces to the list, and it's certainly not uncommon for problems to be fixed just based on this data. Linux kernel is not generalizable

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 22:24:15 +0200, Bill Nottingham wrote: 4) I disagree with the contention that this should all be done via the retrace server. For the retrace server to work, you have to have all of the following: - all relevant binaries and DSOs built in Fedora When we are considering

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 22:16:02 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Everybody who builds OSes or appliances, and who needs to supervise a large number of systems, and hosts, wants stacktraces that just work, and don't require network access or any complex infrastructure. Yes, they work for me.

Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo

2012-05-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 07 May 2012 23:36:04 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I mean, just think of this: you have a pool of workstations to administer. It's all the same machines, with the same prepared OS image. Then I probably use readonly /usr/lib/debug over NFS. Now, with your logic this would either

Re: New type of packages? foo-profile

2012-04-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:46:17 +0200, Ryan Lewis wrote: Having stack frame pointers enabled within libraries is extremely valuable for profiling. Frame pointers are useless, every Fedora binary has .eh_frame full unwind info thanks to -fasynchronous-unwind-tables and oprofile can properly unwind

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:41:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mozilla plugins is usually a euphemism for proprietary crap, most often Flash. We cannot package that in Fedora. So if there is the easy installability of proprietary crap like Mozilla plugins why aren't also the repositories like

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:40:14 +0200, drago01 wrote: rpm packages do not magically fix security issues. A vulnerability in a plugin can be exploited by an attacker regardless how the plugin got installed. (rpm or not). This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:32:38 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: Yes, it would be nice ... except there are so many addons to package Fedora also does not have about 2 packages that Debian has. Does it mean we should give up on Fedora and switch to Debian because we would have to make 2 packages

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:58 +0200, drago01 wrote: We don't even have a package installation gui that does not suck i.e is usable for most users. Going to a website and click install this addon is way easier from a users pov. Keeping pre-installed MS-Windows on the computer is also way

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:07:45 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Kratochvil wrote: This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not (it is not due to Linux firmwares - this part is known). So why isn't Flash + acroread etc. also installed by default or be available

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:56:06 +0200, Paul Wouters wrote: Only if you man the helpdesk for answering why users cannot install adblock in firefox. Do you mean mozilla-adblockplus-1.3.10-4.fc16.noarch? And if it is so wanted feature let it be installed in default Fedora installation and nobody will

Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?

2012-04-08 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:50:21 +0200, Tom Lane wrote: A possible compromise that might allow software developers to live with the setting would be if the default excluded gdb Counterargument in some that Bug was then the attacker can spawn GDB instead of using PTRACE_ATTACH in that process

Re: /etc/default in Fedora

2012-03-19 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:17:01 +0100, James Antill wrote: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/3/html/Reference_Guide/ch-httpd.html#S2-HTTPD-V2-DIFF-RPM ...but upstream explicitly requested that we change it. Where is that request? I see more upstream is pushing the httpd

Re: F17 alpha: where is manual partitioning

2012-03-18 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:52:40 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: * this is a VIRTUAL MACHINE * the installation falls back to text install This is tracked as: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=782995 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-March/163675.html Use

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-17 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:46:16 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: Argh, that could be. But our kernel is a custom built rpm, You have a bug for Fedora there, in the core file by readelf -l: Program Headers: Type Offset VirtAddr PhysAddr FileSiz MemSiz Flg Align [...] LOAD

Re: Possible to access Koji build directory?

2012-03-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:16:51 +0100, Jim Meyering wrote: That works very well. However, the base64 output in my first log was corrupt, due to some asynchronous output (stderr about job completion) that was emitted in the middle of the big base64 block. Adding the sync; sleep 10 part below

Re: Possible to access Koji build directory?

2012-03-16 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:01:59 +0100, Jim Meyering wrote: However, I would suggest that any make check-spawned process that does not terminate is a test script bug that should be fixed upstream, I agree. New testcases are reviewed with this rule in mind. But the existing testcases are handled

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:18:16 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: we are facing a very strange Python segfault in an OLPC build, based on F14, for XO-1.5 (I know, do you remember _that_ far ago?). [...] Full error msg from gdb at http://fpaste.org/YqGv/ All those GDB messages mean your system

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-15 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:31:58 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: Well, that should just not be. The machine that fails, and my machine have both been installed from the same disk image, which gets written to disk with a process equivalent to dd. And both machines pass rpm -Va just fine. So the

Re: Possible to access Koji build directory?

2012-03-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:45:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I suspect the answer is 'no', but is is possible to access or download the build directory of a failed build, on the Fedora Koji servers? GDB (and GCC) tar and uuencode their testsuite results into build.log: * Mon Jun 21 2004

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