Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/16/2012 06:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 09:06:03PM -0500, Scott Schmit wrote:> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 09:26:30AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Tools outside of anaconda don't have to force @core, which opens those tools up to far more creative payloads. So

Re: [@core] working definition for the minimal package set

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/12/2012 05:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:27:34PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: But there was a non-UI way. Does that no longer work? The non-UI way was kickstart. But you can't deselect (-) mandatory packages in a group. @core is primarily made up of mand

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
ntime environment. Code in newUI is different from old code in some of the same areas, which means doing the work twice instead of once. Not to mention porting forward all the other bits of F17's anaconda that doesn't work with F18's userland tools/apis. -- Jesse Keating Fed

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
nging that drum. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
27;ll also point out that we didn't have a lot of choices for F18. We could either leave the existing anaconda package there (which was completely broken) or import the partially functional newUI code base. We went with the option that would provide the most functionality, which was the ne

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Nov 10, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> Fedora is just one of the downstream users of Anaconda. It is incorrect >> to assume that the upstream Anaconda development can be dictated solely >> by Fedora, any more than upstream RPM develo

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-10 Thread Jesse Keating
a is just one of the downstream users of Anaconda. It is incorrect to assume that the upstream Anaconda development can be dictated solely by Fedora, any more than upstream RPM development can be dictated solely by Fedora. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lis

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 12:05 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:35:42AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/08/2012 11:31 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Yes. This is_absolutely_ a feature. A complete rewrite of a core and non-optional component cannot be done ad hoc without planning. One

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 11:32 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 17:06 GMT, Jesse Keating wrote: Because anaconda links into a large amount of runtime stuff, that normally runs isloated and so it /looks/ like our memory usage is balooned, when in reality the entire system has balooned, we're

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
(free -m) used during an install *triples* when we get to the desolve and package install phase. In my most recent test the "used" number went from roughly 550m just before the packages step to 1645 during. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mai

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 09:35 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:13:32AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: As far as Anaconda reverted in the future, I'm confused as to when/where this became a requirement. I think he's saying this because: 1) Features have a section for c

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
ouching? root auth and firewall config are the main ones. Note that we don't have any UI for firewall config either, so not really a lot of code duplication. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
ges without a lot of notice, cooperation, or coordination. Anaconda suffers a lot because of this, and Fedora users/testers suffer a lot because Anaconda breaks a lot. We are often the advanced scout who first encounters a major change. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
p going, but is it really necessary? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 08:57 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/09/2012 04:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: While that has some obvious issues, like new hardware doesn't work with old kernel/syslinux/grub/udev/etc..., It's not like it always works in that area anyway Right, co

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
hat those tools can do what we want them to do. Except those tools change over time, and their inputs change over time, so anaconda breaks over time just in trying to take data in one place and feed it into another. Isn't software fun? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
nce FESCo to replace anaconda with your project as the official installer for Fedora. I wish you luck! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
(which means no x) then the post-install configuration tools don't really exist to do those necessary steps, nor do people want to have an automated install, which then halts at first boot to prompt a user to configure a bunch of stuff necessary to make the machine work right. -- Jesse Ke

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
packages". So in order to handle that kind of task (once), allocate a large amount of ram. Once that task is complete, the actual work the image will be doing may require a lot less ram, so you can scale down what you allocate to that guest. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² i

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
into each layer. This, incidentally, also is why running the F17 installer on F19 isn't practical. Bill Not to mention that while making this migration and after, when system tools /change their api/ or /change their command line arguments/ it means that the installer is suddenly broken again

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
, then knock yourself out redesigning it. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
k continues to work with the change or their stack is updated to work with the change, but Anaconda is left broken. We are not plug-n-play. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
es \n %end as well, only @core gets installed. So the result is the same as doing the kickstart. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/07/2012 01:02 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 7.11.2012 08:08, Dan Horák napsal(a): Jesse Keating píše v Út 06. 11. 2012 v 10:48 -0800: On 11/06/2012 03:35 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: And rel-engs actively prohibits staging as much as they can [1], where it should be encouraged IMO. Vit [1

Re: fedpkg / koji error

2012-11-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/06/2012 11:34 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: Jesse, please review and apply these upstream and make a new update. Fixed comments. Other patch (fedpkg-1.10-use-nil-to-unset-distunset.patch) is fine as is. Tweaked and pushed. Building an update now. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Jesse Keating
nd it on anyway, or try again with a newer build. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-01 Thread Jesse Keating
rnal components can affect Anaconda Kernel Dracut Systemd NetworkManager Changes in comps/packaging group ( rpm/yum? ) lvm mdadm btrfs-progs e2fsprogs xfsprogs xvnc .. Basically anything in lorax's runtime-install.tmpl and all the deps therein can destabilize anaconda. --

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Jesse Keating
h I spent a little more time in to make sure it worked well over serial. We happened to get it done well ahead of time, but we never committed to having it at all for F18. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Jesse Keating
On 10/31/2012 09:56 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: * Jesse Keating, Jeremy Katz, and others who helped shape the current policy and theory of our release schedule felt that the 6 month release cycle was fine but that certain features were going to take longer to develop. Those would need to

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Jesse Keating
makes a lot of people hate Anaconda because it's keeping the freeze going. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-31 Thread Jesse Keating
ssues, so we didn't notice all the subtle ways things were breaking in rawhide until it was late in the game. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: modules, firmware, kernel size (was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes)

2012-10-17 Thread Jesse Keating
work, I was just making a suggestion on how to structure the rpms that fell out of the kernel spec. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: modules, firmware, kernel size (was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes)

2012-10-17 Thread Jesse Keating
ng to provide "kernel", but if you explicitly ask for kernel-minimal you'd get just the minimal. This would all be done from one kernel spec and built out at the same time. We've got a lot of new infrastructure coming for kernel builds and we don't want to make things ev

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Jesse Keating
set, not just the ones with docs. And it means hoping all the packages you've installed are still available in whatever source you installed them from. Anyway, it's just not something I'd feel comfortable exposing in the anaconda UI. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-09 Thread Jesse Keating
ocify yourself. To accomplish this right now, every package would have to split out a -docs subpackage with all the docs in it. Anaconda /might/ do what you want in the future, by way of kickstart commands, but that's not something we're going to expose in the UI. -- Jesse K

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Jesse Keating
p this effort and run with it, the Anaconda team won't likely be spending any time on this for a while, if ever. We will however review patches and guide those wanting to work on it. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: How can I best tie together "cloud" bugs in bugzilla?

2012-09-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 09/20/2012 01:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:25:46PM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: I could make at tracker bug (in that case, probably one per Fedora release). Or, maybe an alias that could be added to the CC line. What's the best approach? If it were me, I'd use a tracke

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Jesse Keating
On 09/17/2012 02:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:37 -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 09/17/2012 04:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It's been suggested that we should stop using 'GOLD' when talking about Alpha and Beta, and I think this is right. Only final releases should

Re: Rawhide boot problems

2012-09-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On 09/07/2012 02:36 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 11:54:03AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Fedora 18 is basically closed for new feature work, and instead the focus needs to be on integration of the existing feature set and bugfixes. But as you state there is a large amount

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-04 Thread Jesse Keating
On 09/02/2012 02:26 AM, Ian Malone wrote: There's also a: Skipping missing group 'base' at the start of the livecd-creator process. What repository are you pointing the install at? The base group should exist in the group metadata (comps). -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedo

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha Test Compose 5 (TC5) Available Now!

2012-09-04 Thread Jesse Keating
x27;s (pre)Alpha software. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedpkg build: Could not initiate build: Unknown build target: dist-rawhide

2012-08-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On 08/21/2012 12:24 PM, Dave Anderson wrote: Is there something I need to change so that a simple "fedpkg build" will work again? I believe you need a new version of fedpkg and pyrpkg. It should just be using "rawhide" instead of "dist-rawhide". -- Jesse K

Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-08-13 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2012-08-15 Thread Jesse Keating
On 08/13/2012 03:38 PM, Carl G wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847644 ? I missed that bug because it was filed against dracut instead of Anaconda. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-08-13 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2012-08-13 Thread Jesse Keating
filed on this somewhere? I didn't see it come into the anaconda bugs list. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 08/09/2012 01:04 PM, Jos Vos wrote: "--yesiknowwhatiamdoingbutitaketherisk" ;-). I think you misspelled %pre :) -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Orphaning trac plugins

2012-08-08 Thread Jesse Keating
I'm no longer responsible for trac administration and I cannot give these packages the attention they need. trac-git-plugin trac-iniadmin-plugin trac-mercurial-plugin trac-ticketdelete-plugin trac-webadmin trac-xmlrpc-plugin -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel ma

Re: Suggestion: Continuous mass rebuild

2012-07-30 Thread Jesse Keating
On 07/30/2012 12:02 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Jesse Keating wrote: On 07/29/2012 10:38 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Currently we're doing a mass rebuild about every couple of releases, ie. once a year. Since Dennis Gilmore has written this rebuild script already

Re: Suggestion: Continuous mass rebuild

2012-07-30 Thread Jesse Keating
e side, which is the right way to do it. If he's not doing it anymore, I would urge some concerned contributor to help setup the infrastructure to do it again. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-27 Thread Jesse Keating
git hash. I'm talking about removing the date part of it so that you still have a numeric prefix (e.g. 0.5) before the git hash. Ordering happens on the 0.X part, not on the git hash. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fed

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-27 Thread Jesse Keating
ll of errors to continue using). The date things were checked out is pretty meaningless. More context is needed, even on SCMs without a canonical revision identifier. You'd want to know what branch or tag the checkout was from. That kind of detail goes in the changelog, not shoved into

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-27 Thread Jesse Keating
On 07/27/2012 11:13 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: If you can suggest a clarification of wording, it sounds like an EASYFIX for FPC. -J > I would suggest just dropping the date field for SCMs that have a canonical revision identifier. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- de

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-27 Thread Jesse Keating
e hash was created or merged. A date without clear rules or context is just meaningless digits. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-26 Thread Jesse Keating
ckout of a tag which could be quite old compared to the day's date you did the checkout. Using the date somewhat assumes you're doing a checkout of HEAD, which isn't always the case. I'd move that embedding the date in there is of little use. -- Jesse Keating Fedora --

Re: F17 updates broke anaconda PNG image handling

2012-07-24 Thread Jesse Keating
/mime/mime.cache was not retained in the squashfs.img , so mime was not able to tell what the file was. Same error message though. http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/lorax.git/commit/?id=3636fd58146768b07f8814d4aeab395876d93a82 that has the fix. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a fe

Re: F17 updates broke anaconda PNG image handling

2012-07-24 Thread Jesse Keating
ed to try composing with this lorax? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/20/2012 09:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 12:21 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) said: Of course for this to work properly we need some level of integration between Network Manager and the DNS caching server so that the dynamic configurations

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/19/2012 03:59 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Again anything that gets handed out at various events should be considered release blockers since the quality of that product reflects back at us as a community thus if an relevant SIG can

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/19/2012 03:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: If an manpower to cover anything else then critical path became a >concern we should fetch that manpower from the relevant SIG's community. > >Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the >Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for as

Re: Default image target size [Was:Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)]

2012-06-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/19/2012 02:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:00:46 -0700 Jesse Keating wrote: On 06/19/2012 12:16 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: In any case Kevin K. probably can comment on what landed the KDE distribution on the Relengs DVD and on the release blocker in

Re: Replacing grubby with grub2-mkconfig in kernel install process

2012-06-19 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/19/2012 04:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.06.2012 09:53, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 18/06/12 09:30, drago01 wrote: This would just result into stagnation while the competition invents much better wheels and leave us behind. Abstracti

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/02/2012 09:24 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: (Users would have to disable > yum's gpg checking in order to install your unsigned package, or they would > have to install/your/ gpg key and trust it in order to install the package > signed with your key). I distribute modified copies of Fedo

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On 06/02/2012 08:38 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: When I create a fork, respin, or remix of Fedora and distribute it to people it will not run for them like Fedora does without a level of fiddling which the people advocating this have made clear is entirely unacceptable. This is because Fedora will

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Jesse Keating
this. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: How do you use fedpkg chain-build for released Fedorae?

2012-05-31 Thread Jesse Keating
ate a buildroot override in order to get that build into the buildroots. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-23 Thread Jesse Keating
-2.fc18 real0m0.563s user0m0.437s sys 0m0.118s half of a second. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-22 Thread Jesse Keating
On 05/22/2012 12:33 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: True, I agree now. It is just so slow (0m2.693s now, 0m4.222s with drop_caches=3) I expected it waits for network. I bet if you traced it, the majority of time is waiting for rpm to return queries about the spec file. -- jlk -- devel mailing lis

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-21 Thread Jesse Keating
ivity? gitbuildhash does require the network to hit the buildsystem, but I thought verrel was all offline. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-21 Thread Jesse Keating
path I would want to go down. Particularly when rebase will leave git tags dereferenced, and there is no code (plumbing, porcelain or otherwise) that will rebase the tags. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedo

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-21 Thread Jesse Keating
IMHO obvious our CVS is doomed. Also, our CVS trees are still available, and for the most part all the CVS log messages are still available within git. Any migration from git to something else should follow that same path and retain the information. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom²

Re: Stop the git abuse

2012-05-21 Thread Jesse Keating
like at least for commits that never have been successfully build (or tagged). - Thomas re-writing history in a shared git repo is quite rude to all the people who have it cloned. Not something I'm going to support. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Jesse Keating
n to update the proposal to say so, subject to the feedback we get on this point. Arm emulation would go a long way toward validating produced install images too. Those of us that validate x86 images depend heavily on KVM and the like. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mai

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Jesse Keating
the short term, if this is something we see high value in tracking, we can just add another git hook to do this directly, rather than relying on a message bus. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
RM and all the rest of it. It's just a question of motivation and personpower. My point is that the motivation and personpower can come independent of whether arm is a PA or an SA. As you say, no technical barrier. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mai

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/20/12 2:33 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 03/20/2012 01:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: As an example, the same koji server handling x86 builds handling ARM builds. Only the koji hub would be the same, the arm builders would be different machines. This isn't all that different from havin

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/20/12 12:32 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 03/20/2012 12:19 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: What does "better than secondary arch" mean to you? I'm really struggling here. As an example, the same koji server handling x86 builds handling ARM builds. Only the koji hub would be th

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/20/12 12:14 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 03/20/2012 12:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: So if you're willing to live like that, I must ask again, what do you think you'll be getting out of being a primary arch? I'm willing to temporarily do better than secondary and worse than

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
It could make some other build tasks go faster too, even on x86, but traditionally we've pushed away from that because of the complexity it presents and concerns of reproducible results. Then again this discussion was ages ago when the tech to do such things was youngish. -- Jesse Keatin

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/20/12 11:59 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: I haven't run this by anybody yet, so if it's nonsense just say so, but... Would it be reasonable to, even amongst primary architectures, allow these steps to go forward even if one arch fails while another succeeds? Let's say we have arch-groups in

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
ese threads I really don't think ARM is ready for the mountain yet. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/20/12 11:50 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 03/20/2012 11:20 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: Honestly I've yet to see a succinct list of reasons why secondary arch is no longer good enough for the ARM effort, for at least the next few releases. I may have missed it in the flurry of email

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
l often on different machines. Perhaps the same could be done for the arm variants as well. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
bugs that need to be fixed which invalidates testing done already. Playing the "turn it on late" game is a non-starter IMHO. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
r the ARM effort, for at least the next few releases. I may have missed it in the flurry of emails and debate, anybody care to recap it for clarity? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
e build is complete. Buildroots won't be updated with the build results until the entire build is complete. You won't know if your build /fails/ on the arch until it's done, etc... Having one arch significantly slower than the others absolutely creates material impact up

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
nal. ARM will need to follow it or have something extremely similar. Granted the release criteria mostly involves the installation process, but it does include installs from live media. Installs /to/ a SD device and then booting said install to validate it could fit in there. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Heads up: rpm 4.10.0 alpha to hit rawhide shortly

2012-03-20 Thread Jesse Keating
ct the srpm and nothing else, which will greatly reduce the deps pulled in. I'm not sure what the ETA is on this. Dennis? -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: why are is subversion 1.7 for F16/F17 removed

2012-03-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On 3/12/12 12:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > I'm not sure. Install the build deps needed to rebuild the f17 SRPMs? they are NOT solveable for the available src.rpms on F16 that is why it makes me so crazy that once built and working packages are removed in the meantime > don't do the testing

Re: "master" branch still invokes build in f17-candidate??

2012-02-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On 2/29/12 1:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Jesse Keating writes: On 2/28/12 12:58 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: If you say to Koji that it should checkout master at remote machine, build a SRPM etc, why the Koji can't determine the proper %{?dist} at remote machine? Why it takes the %{?dist} from

Re: "master" branch still invokes build in f17-candidate??

2012-02-29 Thread Jesse Keating
t pull' to get the updated file. Yep. Stale information in the branch file was one of the things I wanted to solve. Of course, I don't think I can solve it completely without requiring a network action, unless we move away from using master for rawhide and instead always have a spec

Re: "master" branch still invokes build in f17-candidate??

2012-02-29 Thread Jesse Keating
actually try to get this data. It's only the local commands that really matter. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: "master" branch still invokes build in f17-candidate??

2012-02-27 Thread Jesse Keating
On 2/27/12 5:53 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: I was looking for a way to determine the behavior of the master branch (for the sake of dist values) without hitting the network, as that would break git's ability to work offline. The best I could come up with at the time this

Re: "master" branch still invokes build in f17-candidate??

2012-02-27 Thread Jesse Keating
was written was to check and see what other branches existed, and just increment the biggest one by one. I welcome suggestions for better ways to manage this. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /usrmove? -> about the future

2012-02-27 Thread Jesse Keating
On 2/24/12 12:10 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2012-02-23 20:06, Jesse Keating wrote: Could you help me figure out why path completion with ~/ isn't working in fedpkg, but with full paths it is? I assume there is something wrong in the (contributed) bash completion file.

Re: /usrmove? -> about the future

2012-02-23 Thread Jesse Keating
On 2/19/12 3:43 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2012-02-18 20:26, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 02/18/2012 11:05 PM, Ville Skyttä wrote: You can get the completion to work according to that preference with for example yum install ./foo - anything that looks like a filesystem path triggers filename-only

Re: Please create Fedora 17 in Bugzilla

2012-02-23 Thread Jesse Keating
new releases. I didn't have to log into any other account, the rights were just granted to mine. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-08 Thread Jesse Keating
On 2/8/12 4:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is a very good idea because the overall quality of fedora would be improved if there would be a larger release-blocking to get the big changes fixed BEFORE alpha and in the meantime not involved maintainers could proceed fixing the tons of small bugs and

Need karma on fedpkg update for F15

2011-11-28 Thread Jesse Keating
inclined. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Nov 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > >> So if you are serious about wanting this fixed, draft a proposal, figure out >> who's going to do the coding work, and bring it to FESCo. > > I would think this work directly falls under releng jurisdiction ( given > that releng is

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Nov 21, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > So who's ultimately responsible for making sure that packagers are > following the current guidelines set by FPC releng? "the community". You see, the problem with a volunteer community is that "enforcement" basically boils down to

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On Nov 21, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 11/21/2011 09:25 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> Unconvincing. To "reassure ownership" periodicially won't be sufficient. >> It would be just another button to click (like FAS password or cert >> renewal) and would not guarantee that the

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