Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:04:21PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > As far as I understood, there is no need to backport security fixes. One > > could just copy the package with the security fix with all needed > > dependencies to the stable repo imho. &g

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:08:22PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > Bug avoiding regressions at all costs is what some are willing to take. > > With the repo split there can be at least better co-operation as e.g. > > splitting the distribution. At least for

Re: bz532373, was Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-03 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 02:26:19PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: > Upstream reports a logging bug. You claim to know better and WONTFIX > because obviously you have more experience in the legalities of running > tor nodes and the police then upstream does.. What is the big problem with the disab

Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-03 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 02:06:33PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:04 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > I mind have misunderstood it, but afaics it only says that it will be > > tested, because it spent time in updates-testing, but this is not even > >

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-03 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 12:55:46AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > So here is a first ugly script to easily give feedback for all installed > testing updates that were created after a certain date (I did not find > an easy way to get all testing updates, one did not yet comment on

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 01:23:30AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Great script here's a small set of changes to have easy-karma use yum as a > module > instead of via subprocess. > > http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/easy-karma-yum.patch Thank you, I will integrate it later today, when I set up

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 01:23:30AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Great script here's a small set of changes to have easy-karma use yum as a > module > instead of via subprocess. > > http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/easy-karma-yum.patch There is now a git repo and your patch is included: http:

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:26:17AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Till Maas wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 01:23:30AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > >> Great script here's a small set of changes to have easy-karma use yum

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 09:36:53PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > small nit: if a single update has, say, three packages in it, the script > presents it for your feedback three times. This is fixed in the current git release. Regards Till pgp1JcxH9MT6j.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 02:40:38PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Perhaps this could be added into fedora-packager? > > Well, it's useful also for testers (or even just users) who are not > packagers, so I'm not sure that's the best place. I am more in favor of packaging by

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 11:34:20AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Where is the module 'fedora_cert' packaged? I can't seem to find it. It is in fedora-packager-0.4.0-1.fc12 from updates-testing. Regards Till pgp7Sganx4A6n.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

2010-03-04 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: > But let's be clear. That's a *policy* decision. One of the things that > got very confusing in the previous thread(s) was the intermixing of > policy decisions and technical issues. For instance, Kevin's response > So, I'm going t

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 08:52:56AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > One size does still not fit all, although this is a great idea for > most packages in Fedora for packages in certain niches this is a bad idea. > > I've said this before (and got 0 response), I believe there should > be some divide

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 06:46:01AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > F13 updates will be supported until F15 Alpha is created, so > > everyone has a about a three month update window to get from FN-updates to > > F(N+1)-updates or F(N+1)-updates-stable. >

Re: VCS key in spec files and some scripts

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 06:39:11PM +, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > > > Thanks, this looks useful. I will try to use them, too. From their > > description they should be helpful to just check whether the current > >

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
Here is now a review request for fedora-easy-karma: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=570771 pgp3bH9mzb8w2.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:53:54PM -0500, TK009 wrote: > I hope everyone is well. With the worst of the “snowpocalypse" behind us  > (here in the Northern Hemisphere) and the branching of Fedora 13, there > is a bit of ‘spring cleaning’ the the bugzappers need to do. This > e-mail is designed to

Speedup the availability of updates (was: Re: Push scripts, mash) pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
Hi, I have some ideas to speedup the availability of updates. Are there any reasons except that the tools to do this do not exist yet, to switch to this? I created a wiki page for this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Till/update_availability_speedup_ideas The basic idea is to create new repo

Re: Speedup the availability of updates (was: Re: Push scripts, mash) pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 08:08:09AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Till Maas wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have some ideas to speedup the availability of updates. Are there any > > reasons except that the tools to do this do not exist yet, to

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:11:23PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > Especially it needs to be made sure that only bugs created prior to > > adding "F13" to RedHat Bugzilla or the branching of F13, depending on > > what happened later, are tou

Re: VCS key in spec files and some scripts

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > Also a link to an example spec would be helpful. > > For just the #VCS key? Let me instead write up a formal proposal: It helps to have something that is supp

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:42:57PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:11:23PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Till Maas wrote: > > > > Especially it needs to be made sure that only bugs created prior to > > > adding "F13" to RedHat Bugzil

Re: Speedup the availability of updates (was: Re: Push scripts, mash) pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:23:17PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: > > I have some ideas to speedup the availability of updates. Are there any > > reasons except that the tools to do this do not exist yet, to switch to > > this? I cr

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 10:21:37PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > With defaults (no command-line args), it here prompted me to enter > the FAS password for "localhost". I had to use --fas-username=... These are the two commands that are used to get the username, what do they return for you? py

Re: Speedup the availability of updates (was: Re: Push scripts, mash) pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:49:09PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: > > > It seems to be missing something - it says 'all rpms that are not included > > > in the prior metadata will be deleted', but there's nothing in t

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 01:46:34PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Ah. You're looking at it on a kind of micro level; 'how can I tell this > package has been tested?' For a package maintainer it is especially interesting, whether the own update has been tested. > Maybe it makes it clearer if I e

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-05 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:42:32AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > It looks like popcon has like 93000 profiles? Smolt has 1.8 million [1] > and even at that level without package data we have horrible performance > issues. If I were to add packages with my knowledge of db's, smolt would > become u

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 06:39:02PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 23:47 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > to how these numbers have changed in a week. I hope then everyone from > > the QA SIG is using the script to report feedback, so it will be save to > > s

Re: Provide more testing feedback (was: Re: Refining the update queues/process)

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 11:42:28PM -0500, Tony Nelson wrote: > On 10-03-05 17:00:12, Till Maas wrote: > ... > > But it seems that os.getlogin() is too smart for this purposes, e.g. > > for me it always uses the username that started X, even if I "su -" > >

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 06:18:37PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Till Maas wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:42:32AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Imho for the beginning, there is no need to be able to query complete > > profiles, but it would b

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:34:08AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 06/03/10 09:04, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 06:18:37PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Till Maas wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:42:32AM -0

Re: VCS key in spec files and some scripts

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 09:53:59AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > Also a link to an example spec would be helpful. The fedora-easy-karma.spec now uses this, so in case anyone else is interested to test it, it can be used. But I ne

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 11:19:27AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 06/03/10 10:04, Till Maas wrote: > --snipped-- > >>>>> DB) > >>>>> 3) once a day a crawler reads all files and counts for each package how > >>>>> often they are install

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 06:49:03PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > maintainers, I think KDE or this update show that we were better off > with an official policy. Did the mc update break something? Regards Till pgpdxHb1B1LoX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.f

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 08:14:38AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 13:27 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > Especially it needs to be made sure that only bugs created prior to > > adding "F13" to RedHat Bugzilla or the branching of F13, depending on

Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
Good news everyone, you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes providing feedback a lot easier. This makes it more important to consider t

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 11:16:45PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Samstag, den 06.03.2010, 19:38 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: > > 2010/3/6 Naheem Zaffar : > > > > [snipped] > > > PS other places that have more stable updates also have their problems - > > > there are many users who dislik

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 11:40:20PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil : > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >> > >> +1, Michał! People who want the latest and greatest have already updated > >> to F12 months ago anyway, so there is not much use in pu

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:48:23AM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > deal with the problems that might arise with the new version. But if the > new version is dumped upon me in the middle of a week, I'm left without > a choice. I have to immediately deal with whatever problems arise from > the upgra

Re: Another great update

2010-03-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:28:32AM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 03/07/2010 12:52 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > Yet moreover you also have the option of updating bugfixes in > > addition, leaving the enhancement updates out. > > I really don't think I have that option. It might work in some cases

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-08 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 12:34:03PM -0500, Will Woods wrote: > Adam's poll results are valid *only* for Fedora users who: > > a) Are members of the Fedora forum, > b) Enthusiasts/power-users to the degree that they would notice a new > threads/poll within a day of its posting, and > c) Hold a stro

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-09) FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 11:11:30AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:10:40 -0700, Kevin wrote: > > > - Proposed Updates Policy Change - mjg59 > > So, I'm willing to sacrifice a pawn. If that proposal, in particular the > > | Before being added to updates, the package > | mu

Re: Upcoming Bugzilla Changes

2010-03-09 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 20:07 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 08:14:38AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 13:27 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > > > > &

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 03:42:19PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 14:06 +0100, Thomas Spura wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 07:50 -0500 schrieb Stephen Gallagher: > > > On 03/06/2010 05:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > > > [0]

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-09 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 07:50:43AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Given the obvious utility of this script, can we get it added to the > fedora-packager package? It doesn't make a lot of sense to have > developers downloading a script off a wiki to use this. It's (going to be) in the fedora-pa

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 04:51:52PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > You need to update packages from updates-testing first and then it's > > useful to run it. Please look at the wiki for example output. > > Would your script break, say, if he

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:25:06PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > > > On 9 March 2010 21:54, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >> === > >> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-03-09) > >> === > >> >

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 06:47:00AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:07:39AM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > >Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 20:25 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal: > > > >> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that > >> meeting. > >> > >>

Re: Another great update

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:28:39AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > Moreover you also have the option of updating security fixes only. > > That option doesn't really exist, as was already demonstrated: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/131926.html S

Install fedora-easy-karma by default? (was: Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism)

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:29:28AM +0100, Milos Jakubicek wrote: > Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it > by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to > provide feedback. I do not mind, if it is installed by default, but I am not sure, whe

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:22:37AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:08 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > Afaics this does not affect some minor issue, but a fundamental reason > > why package maintainer decided to become Fedora package maintainers. > &

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:34:15AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 1) Comments could allow for multi-line code. I tried to paste stuff in > and well skipped a couple of packages from the paste :) Do you have any wish about how this should behave? I was thinking that e.g. a comment like " 2)

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-11 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:51:34PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > The biggest query command I would like at the moment is something like: > > fedora-easy-karma --list # lists packages to be voted on. > fedora-easy-karma --list-new # list pacakges I haven't voted on already. fedora-easy-kar

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-11 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 08:33:16PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 20:19 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > > And power consumption will go down as you won't need as many platters :-) > > Not materially for those whose needs are already down to less than one > platter. MultiGHz, Multico

CLA problems (was: Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default?)

2010-03-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:20:11AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/11/2010 02:14 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > > > Can you leave bodhi feedback with an FAS account if you haven't signed a > > CLA? (The thing about FAS accounts I am not crazy about is the CLA. What > > about using a bugzilla

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-11 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 01:22:35PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Additionally, I have some RFE's too. ;) > > - Could you add a 'q' for quit or something. Or at least not catch > control-c? If I am in the middle of doing something and need to > reboot or wander off, I would perfer to be able to

Re: gajim: transferring ownership

2010-03-12 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 07:55:55AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 12:25 +0200, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > I would like to transfer ownership of the gajim package to Michal > > Schmidt (michich). I am a bit wary of PackageDB transferring not > > letting me select the new owner. Cou

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:19:56PM +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Trying a "yum update" gives me this. Broken update? > > > Transaction Check Error: > file /usr/lib64/gstreamer-0.10/libgstshapewipe.so from install of > gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.21-1.fc12.x86_64 conflicts with file from > packag

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > There are so many developers around on this list that know: reporting > bugs is the right way to get problems fixed and fixing things is way > better than posting workarounds to public places for various reasons -- > nevertheless

Re: Using generally useful macros

2010-03-16 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 07:09:59PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Nikolay Ulyanitsky wrote: > > There are a lot of generally useful macros in Fedora, which are not > > described in the Fedora wiki: %__awk, %__bzip2, %__cat, %__chgrp, > > %__chmod, %__chown, %__cp, %__cpio, %__file, %__gpg, %__grep, >

Re: Orphaning DR17 and EFL

2010-03-17 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:30:01PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > It's ok if you are not willing to explain something to me, but you also > refused to explain it to your co-maintainer and others. Please explain > it at least to the readers of this list, so they can get picture of > what's going

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-17 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:49:41PM +, Branched Report wrote: > fedora-easy-karma-0-0.3.20100306git00fc20aa.fc12.noarch requires > fedora-packager >= 0:0.4.0 This is unexpected behaviour of Fedora for me. Why is the package from F12 automatically added to the F13 repo? The current situa

Re: main problems of fedora?

2010-03-17 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:32:06PM +0100, Gergely Buday wrote: > is there a list of known deficiencies of fedora - I mean those which > can be cured by developing new software, rather than fixing bugs? Or, > if such list does not exist, can you name a few missing item from > fedora? Think of relat

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 01:36:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Both fedora-easy-karma and fedora-packager are breaking upgrade paths, this > inheritance problem is just another side effect of that. The packages have > to be pushed to stable either simultaneously or in decreasing release order.

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 02:32:35AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I wrote: > > Both fedora-easy-karma and fedora-packager are breaking upgrade paths, > > this inheritance problem is just another side effect of that. The packages > > have to be pushed to stable either simultaneously or in decreasing r

libpng: Multilib update conflict

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
Hiyas, there is a -1 karma comment claiming that libpng is broken, because the new x86_64 package conflicts with the old i686 package: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libpng-1.2.43-1.fc12 | file /usr/share/man/man5/png.5.gz from install of | libpng-2:1.2.43-1.fc12.i686 conflicts with file

Re: libpng: Multilib update conflict

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 02:05:29PM +, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 18/03/10 13:27, Till Maas wrote: > > Hiyas, > > > > there is a -1 karma comment claiming that libpng is broken, because the > > new x86_64 package conflicts with the old i686 package: > > > >

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 03:57:14PM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Mike Chambers wrote: > > Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and > > just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready > > for this or getting ready, or already using it? And If we bou

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 05:12:26PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > for a new partition. Shouldn't it then default to sector 16, which is I mean sector 8 here. So I just gave an example why the tools should do the math for me. ;-) Regards Till pgp1RMnbl3DjQ.pgp Description: PGP signature -

Potential F14 feature: Use GPT partition table by default for "wipe complete HD" installations

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
Hi, how about using GPT[0] partitions for F14 for all installations that wipe the whole disk to install Fedora? It is also considered to be good by Tejun Heo[1] and it seems to work nicely already on F12. I just partitioned a new HD using gdisk and the kernel seems to recognise it without any prob

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:53:15PM +0200, shmuel siegel wrote: > On 3/18/2010 9:47 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: > > The default pseudo-geometry will still be 63 sectors/track unless you > > change it, and by default a partition's start-of-data is forced to the > > beginning of a track. Making the sec

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-18 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:32:48PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > me bdisk, which uses modern GPT partition tables, that do not care about ^ *sigh* This is meant to be gdisk. Regards Till pgp0Dg1isND4s.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: Potential F14 feature: Use GPT partition table by default for "wipe complete HD" installations

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:34:59AM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:25:45PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:55:37PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > how about using GPT[0] partitions for F14 for all ins

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 04:21:47PM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote: > Alexander Boström wrote: > > ons 2010-03-10 klockan 15:57 -0600 skrev Eric Sandeen: > > > >> There has been a lot of work upstream on 4k sector support, and in general > >> yes, we are ready. > > > > Problems can probably be expected

Re: Potential F14 feature: Use GPT partition table by default for "wipe complete HD" installations

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:22:56PM +0200, Manuel Wolfshant wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:34:59AM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > I am also pretty sure that a BIOS does not consider the partition table > > to boot, > I can vouch for at least 2 Intel

Re: Potential F14 feature: Use GPT partition table by default for "wipe complete HD" installations

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 01:04:29PM +, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 21:55 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > how about using GPT[0] partitions for F14 for all installations that wipe > > the whole disk to install Fedora? It is also considered to be good by > >

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 09:21:53AM -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 03/19/2010 08:08 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 04:21:47PM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote: > >> Alexander Boström wrote: > >>> ons 2010-03-10 klockan 15:57 -0600 skrev Eric Sandeen: > &

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 09:56:10AM -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote: > We are currently working to verify that storage devices work properly & > report > the information that they want us to use (doing this with several storage > providers and have also raised this with EMC/VMware). > If we see real w

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:25:38AM -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote: > I should have asked - do you have the details captured in bugzilla? If so, > that > will be useful to help kick off the discussion with them. It seemed to be common knowledge already, but I just created a bug report: https://bugzill

Re: Potential F14 feature: Use GPT partition table by default for "wipe complete HD" installations

2010-03-19 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 07:54:09PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Yes! > > Hopefully BIOS support won't be a problem because of gptsync. Can we > also get gptsync packaged separately, instead of having an odd version > bundled with Anaconda ... A first incomplete Feature page is available h

Re: Akonadi's unix sockets location

2010-03-20 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:43:16PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > Ok if they are from the same login session and same UID it is reasonable > to expect them to share /tmp. Iirc, it would be more FHS compliant to use /var/tmp instead. Regards Till pgp70p2xBXwfN.pgp Description: PGP signature --

Re: Akonadi's unix sockets location

2010-03-20 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:34:58AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 20.03.10 10:34, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:43:16PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > > > Ok if they are from the same login session and same UID

Re: F-13 Branched report: 20100317 changes

2010-03-20 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 07:38:43AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > These requirements render the karma automatism useless for all branches > > except F13, because the fedora-packager package in F12 was iirc pushed > > automatically after it received en

Non-responsive maintainer Karsten Hopp? (was: Re: Privoxy have a lot openbugs in F12)

2010-03-22 Thread Till Maas
Hiyas, On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 04:45:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > The privoxy current in F12 is a beta version and had a lot of bugs. > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=privoxy&product=Fedora > > Can anyone tell Karsten to fix those bugs? I did not check any further, but

Re: Orphaning: diction, pylint, python-logilab-common, python-logilab-astng, uqm

2010-03-24 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:36:10AM +0100, Matthias Runge wrote: > if you need assistance, I'm happy to support you. > Sadly, I'm not approved, yet, this could get a bit tricky. Next weekend is a Fedora Action Day in my region, I am sure I will get to sponsor you then. Regards Till pgpAvjwNovhf

Re: How is Fedora non-american keyboard support for you?

2010-03-25 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 08:46:45PM +0100, nodata wrote: > I use a German keyboard on all of my machines. Once or twice a year a > bug comes along in Fedora that breaks that and I'm stuck with an > American keyboard and system-config-keyboard to change it back again. I use a German keyboard, too

Re: [Fwd: [SECURITY] Fedora 12 Update: maniadrive-1.2-21.fc12]

2010-03-26 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 08:04:51AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > 2010/3/26 Jon Ciesla : > > > >> Does anyone else see anything odd about this update? > >> > > > > I didn't know that maniadrive shares code with php... > > > > > AFAICT, it doesn't. This update loo

Re: [Fwd: [SECURITY] Fedora 12 Update: maniadrive-1.2-21.fc12]

2010-03-26 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 02:16:14PM +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2010/3/26 Till Maas : > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 08:04:51AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> > 2010/3/26 Jon Ciesla : > >> > > >> >

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-26 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 09:55:19PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#Inform_Upstream > > I sometimes forget as well and not surprised there would be instances > where upstream is not informed. You added the section about informin

Re: Update testing policy: how to use Bodhi

2010-03-27 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:49:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > 1. I have tried this update in my regular day-to-day use and seen no > regressions. > > 2. I have tried this update in my regular day-to-day use and seen a > regression: bug #XX. > > 3. (Where the update claims to fix bug #XX

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:20:57PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > As a user, having been hit by a bug, "CLOSED UPSTREAM" is nothing but a > cheap bold lie packagers use as weak excuse to for not being able to fix > a bug having hit a user. > > In other words: "FIXED UPSTREAM" does not fix anyth

Re: Update testing policy: how to use Bodhi

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:37:33AM +0200, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:21, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 16:33 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > >> 8. The package updated sucessfully, but was not used intentionally. No > >> breakage no

Re: Update testing policy: how to use Bodhi

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:13:18PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > Even > > if an update is there to fix something, it does not mean that one can or > > will test it completely (special hardware might be required). In this > > case it is still inte

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:15:30PM +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Unfortunately our ticketing tool doesn't do a great job at this, as we > > can't take one ticket and mark multiple release branches it affects > > and which of those release branches t

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:29:26PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > It'd be nice to have better handling for this in a future Bugzilla > release, but I think it might require considerable internal changes, > though I'm not an expert; it doesn't strike me as something simple to > patch in. Maybe it

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-31 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:09:51PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 14:56 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Till Maas wrote: > > > Maybe it would be enough to somehow store the information in Bugzilla, > > > e.g. using a flag for each supported

Re: CVS Permissions

2010-04-01 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 08:25:29AM +0200, Matthias Runge wrote: > who do I ask, to get the permission to set the fedora-cvs-flag in > bugzilla? I would like to import my recently approved package into cvs. > Or did I understood the procedure > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CVS_admin_requests#New_

Re: non-responsive maintainer: thomasvs

2010-04-06 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 08:53:10PM +0200, Julian Sikorski wrote: > Anyway, when it comes to the update, I'm happy to help. The total number > of downstream packages dependent on twisted is 33. Should we expect > breakage? Were there any API changes in twisted? > I think we could start by dividing

Re: syslog-ng

2010-04-08 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 04:02:54PM +0200, Peter Czanik wrote: > Version 3.0 also added SSL support among many other changes, but that > can't be enabled on openSUSE (configure arg: --disable-ssl): syslog-ng > is in /sbin, openssl libs are in /usr/lib, linking from /usr is not > allowed in /, and S

Re: Moving libcrypto.so.* back to /lib

2010-04-09 Thread Till Maas
gt; > will stay in /usr/lib though. > > > > I will do that change in F14 packages. Till Maas asked me for this > > change also in F13, but I am a little hesitant to do this as I am afraid > > of regressions. Do you think this change could break things in F13? > &g

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