Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ty Young wrote: > According to pkgs.org Fedora Rawhide doesn't even have a 32-bit JRE/JDK > so i'm not sure why the designation is required. 32-bit has been on the > way out for awhile now. If someone wants to make a 32-bit version they > don't need to follow a distros naming convention. While

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:08:21 -0500, you wrote: >>Secondly, isn't this what modules are meant for? I'm not sure if there is >one for JDK on Fedora. > >Java 9 modules you mean? No, Fedora Modules, an alternative to rpms I think. ___ devel mailing list

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:24:46 -0500, you wrote: >According to pkgs.org Fedora Rawhide doesn't even have a 32-bit JRE/JDK >so i'm not sure why the designation is required. 32-bit has been on the >way out for awhile now. If someone wants to make a 32-bit version they >don't need to follow a

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Ty Young
On 4/12/19 10:40 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ty Young wrote: Which it does but no alternatives show up even when downloading from Fedora's repos. Is there no post installation scripts that properly registers everything? If not, then how are there symbolic links in /etc/alternatives? What are they

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Ty Young
On 4/12/19 12:16 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to install, compile from source and easily switch between

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:17 PM Colin Walters wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of > > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to > > install, compile from

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 12 avril 2019 à 13:16 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out > > of > > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able > > to > >

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to > install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. Bigger picture, as

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ty Young wrote: > Which it does but no alternatives show up even when downloading from > Fedora's repos. Is there no post installation scripts that properly > registers everything? If not, then how are there symbolic links in > /etc/alternatives? What are they even for? There are such

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 12 avril 2019 à 01:21 -0500, Ty Young a écrit : > > Fair enough.Given that only Java 8 and newer is available via > Fedora's > repos and things have calmed down a bit, is the complexity still > worth it though? You still have OpenJ9 vs OpenJDK, LTS vs non LTS, completely free

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Ty Young
On 4/11/19 11:30 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ty Young wrote: alternatives(see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java), which is supposed to allow you to switch between Java versions, flat out doesn't work. This is probably due to limitations in Silverblue. The Fedora Java packaging was designed for

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ty Young wrote: > alternatives(see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java), which is supposed > to allow you to switch between Java versions, flat out doesn't work. This is probably due to limitations in Silverblue. The Fedora Java packaging was designed for normal Fedora, at a time where

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Ty Young
>firstly i recommend to use Fedora toolbox [0] for this kind of things on Silverblue (it's part of Silverblue already). Not everything can easily be done in a containerized environment. The game "Minecraft" for example needs a system JRE in order to run as it is written in Java and is installed

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Michal Konecny
Hi, firstly i recommend to use Fedora toolbox [0] for this kind of things on Silverblue (it's part of Silverblue already). Secondly, isn't this what modules are meant for? I'm not sure if there is one for JDK on Fedora. Regards, Michal Konecny [0] - https://github.com/debarshiray/toolbox

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Ty Young
>Java is not "just" a system directory, it's a set of coordinated commands, some of those shared between the jre and the jdk, with the set varying slightly between Java versions, JDK provider, etc. What you are (primarily) describing is the path export variable to the java binary which is located

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-04-11 13:40, Ty Young a écrit : Hi, What shroom induced insanity is this? Why does alternatives not work? Java is not "just" a system directory, it's a set of coordinated commands, some of those shared between the jre and the jdk, with the set varying slightly between Java

Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Ty Young
Hi, I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. However, Fedora fails to meet these requirements so badly I'm fairly certain whoever