Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-28 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, THAT would be worhty of being called Fedora.Next . cu romal Am 28.01.14 01:35, schrieb Oron Peled: On Monday 27 January 2014 14:01:32 Stephen Gallagher wrote: ... or some mechanism to interactively configure and deploy a DHCP server. IMO, that's exactly the crux of the matter. Most

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Forwarding this to ser...@lists.fedoraproject.org as well. Responses inline. On 01/27/2014 07:35 PM, Oron Peled wrote: On Monday 27 January 2014 14:01:32 Stephen Gallagher wrote: ... or some mechanism to interactively configure and deploy a

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-28 Thread Oron Peled
On Tuesday 28 January 2014 08:23:46 Stephen Gallagher wrote: Forwarding this to ser...@lists.fedoraproject.org as well. Responses inline. As I'm not on the server list (yet), I replied to both lists. If devel should be off this thread, just remove it in your next reply and I'll understand the

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-28 Thread Les Howell
On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 01:48 +0200, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 28 January 2014 08:23:46 Stephen Gallagher wrote: Forwarding this to ser...@lists.fedoraproject.org as well. Responses inline. As I'm not on the server list (yet), I replied to both lists. If devel should be off this thread,

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/2014 06:48 PM, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 28 January 2014 08:23:46 Stephen Gallagher wrote: Forwarding this to ser...@lists.fedoraproject.org as well. Responses inline. As I'm not on the server list (yet), I replied to both lists.

Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, might be totaly out of scope for Fedora.next, but this is what I would like to get better in Fedora. If I install a Windows-Server with some services like DHCP or file services, I get a working configuration. - If I install a Fedora-server with dhcpd, dhcpd doesn't do anything - If I

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 01:31 PM, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: Hi, might be totaly out of scope for Fedora.next, but this is what I would like to get better in Fedora. If I install a Windows-Server with some services like DHCP or file services, I get a

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 19:31:58 +0100, Robert M. Albrecht li...@romal.de wrote: I think this is a real problem. The missing working default-configs are a real hassle for replacing small servers in Windows-shops with Linux as the non-expert-Linux-admin has an enormous entry-barrier to get

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/2014 01:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 19:31:58 +0100, Robert M. Albrecht li...@romal.de wrote: I think this is a real problem. The missing working default-configs are a real hassle for replacing small servers in

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Robert M. Albrecht li...@romal.de said: If I install a Windows-Server with some services like DHCP or file services, I get a working configuration. Can you be more specific on what you mean by working configuration? As far as I know, you still have to configure the service on

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Dan Lavu
Most of the services you described do have a working configuration but the service is not turned on. You are right though, when you install a Windows CA it's ready to go. In regards to DHCP, the dhcpd.conf file has a commented sample that needs to be edited and then turned on. Is this what you

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, dhcpd is just an (maybe bad) example. But even dhcpd needs a lot of work. I need to configure ranges, options (which could like gateqway and dns partly automagically gathered from the exsting network configuration), ... binding dhcpd to bind to enable dynamic updates, ... and double

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, if the server sits in a RFC1918 network (192.168.1.0/16), has a static IP and a configured gateway and DNS, it might be reasonable to assume, the dhcpd should operate in this range and set the options for DNS and gateway accordingly. At least the installation could produce a

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Robert M. Albrecht
Hi, He's not suggesting turning services on by default just by installing pacakges (I don't think). I think his request here is similar to our Fedora Server Roles idea where there are special packages (possibly meta-packages) that are separate from the simple installed bits. So you might have

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 27 January 2014 14:01, Robert M. Albrecht li...@romal.de wrote: Hi, dhcpd is just an (maybe bad) example. But even dhcpd needs a lot of work. I need to configure ranges, options (which could like gateqway and dns partly automagically gathered from the exsting network configuration), ...

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 27.01.2014 22:01, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: Hi, dhcpd is just an (maybe bad) example. It is good example. See dhcp configuration in your home router - it requires some attention. Then try some Cisco or HP router and its dhcp configuration. This smart devices are not so smart to work for

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why these daemons are not ready to run is that when they used to be ready to run, they caused problems with whatever environment was already there. We used to ship tools which could do what was thought to

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 27.01.2014 22:05, Robert M. Albrecht wrote: Hi, if the server sits in a RFC1918 network (192.168.1.0/16), has a static IP and a configured gateway and DNS, it might be reasonable to assume, the dhcpd should operate in this range and set the options for DNS and gateway accordingly.

Re: Fedora.next: I would like working configurations

2014-01-27 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 27 January 2014 14:01:32 Stephen Gallagher wrote: ... or some mechanism to interactively configure and deploy a DHCP server. IMO, that's exactly the crux of the matter. Most non-trivial services requires some administrative decisions to configure them properly. Since rpm does not