Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-16 Thread Allan Day
Trond Hasle Amundsen t.h.amund...@usit.uio.no wrote: Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask everywhere about this.. I always found it odd that gnome-tweak-tool even exists.. some functionality are found in the

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On 10/02/13 06:03 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: This has been addressed various times. In brief: Advanced buttons do not work. They'll be clicked every time. Tweak tool provides a different guarantee of stability. For instance: if you change an option in System Settings and it

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-15 Thread Martin Sourada
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:31:42 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: Kevin, you work on a desktop which sufficiently represents your views. I think we're all aware that if we want fifteen thousand settings in the control panel, we can run KDE. Do you really believe you're going to convince the GNOME

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-15 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada wrote: I don't think that's what he is trying to tell. I believe it's: either expose the setting, or don't have the setting. The middle way is broken, be it semi-official tweak tool or even worse advanced tab. Especially if the tweak tool is for settings that are expected to be

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: I think settings should be made available to the user, but not in a half-assed tweak tool. That's what the settings dialog is for. We understand that is your view point and it is fine to hold that view point and as a KDE maintainer

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 15:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: This has been addressed various times. In brief: Advanced buttons do not work. They'll be clicked every time. Tweak tool provides a different guarantee of stability. For instance: if you change an option in System

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:18:09PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: I don't get why you reply to me. It seems anything people do is just bad. No tweak tool: bad A tweak tool: bad Strawman… What I actually mean is: Completely hidden or absent settings (no tweak

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:20:04PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweak_UI It was written by one individual employee and released as an unsupported tool. It'd have been a third-party tool if the author didn't happen to be an M$ employee.

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:03:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Having a separate tweak tool is a lame workaround for lack of settings in the official tools. The only reason such tweak tools exist on proprietary operating systems is because the proprietary companies don't want to officially

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:12:32AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:03:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Having a separate tweak tool is a lame workaround for lack of settings in the official tools. The only reason such tweak tools exist on proprietary operating systems

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Mario Torre
Il giorno lun, 11/02/2013 alle 11.12 +0100, Olav Vitters ha scritto: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:03:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Having a separate tweak tool is a lame workaround for lack of settings in the official tools. The only reason such tweak tools exist on proprietary operating

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Mario Torre
Il giorno dom, 10/02/2013 alle 14.47 +0100, Olav Vitters ha scritto: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:54PM +0100, Trond Hasle Amundsen wrote: Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask everywhere about this..

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 01:30:02PM +0100, Mario Torre wrote: Il giorno dom, 10/02/2013 alle 14.47 +0100, Olav Vitters ha scritto: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:54PM +0100, Trond Hasle Amundsen wrote: Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat funny that many users even

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 01:30:29PM +0100, Mario Torre wrote: This argument doesn't really work, either. Care to provide any argumentation? At the moment if that were true, I'd could just refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black But actually I explained myself.

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Olav Vitters wrote: I don't get why you reply to me. It seems anything people do is just bad. No tweak tool: bad A tweak tool: bad Strawman… What I actually mean is: Completely hidden or absent settings (no tweak tool): bad Settings hidden in a tweak tool: bad Settings available and

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
Olav Vitters wrote: PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweak_UI It was written by one individual employee and released as an unsupported tool. It'd have been a third-party tool if the author didn't happen to be an M$ employee. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-11 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: I don't get why you reply to me. It seems anything people do is just bad. No tweak tool: bad A tweak tool: bad Strawman… What I actually mean is: Completely hidden or absent settings (no tweak tool): bad Settings hidden in a tweak tool: bad Settings

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces (Was Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop)

2013-02-10 Thread Christopher Meng
On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote: > As an aside, when I first saw gnome-shell, I thought it would be horrible to use. But after a while of using it, finding gnome-tweak-tool, and installing a couple of extensions, I've been quite happy with it. I actually think

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-10 Thread Trond Hasle Amundsen
Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask everywhere about this.. I always found it odd that gnome-tweak-tool even exists.. some functionality are found in the system settings, some in gnome-tweak-tool. If you ask me,

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-10 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:54PM +0100, Trond Hasle Amundsen wrote: Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes: Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask everywhere about this.. I always found it odd that gnome-tweak-tool even exists.. some

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Olav Vitters wrote: This has been addressed various times. In brief: Advanced buttons do not work. They'll be clicked every time. Tweak tool provides a different guarantee of stability. For instance: if you change an option in System Settings and it results in a bug it must be fixed asap. At

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-10 Thread Trond Hasle Amundsen
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl writes: Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask everywhere about this.. I always found it odd that gnome-tweak-tool even exists.. some functionality are found in the system settings, some in gnome-tweak-tool. If you ask me,

Gnome-shell workspaces (Was Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop)

2013-02-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/09/2013 03:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: 1. I no longer use workspaces to manage different tasks unless there are lots of windows and then I sometimes overflow onto 2. This is because they're less useful as you now can't switch without going to the activities view and they aren't segregated