Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:41:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mozilla plugins is usually a euphemism for proprietary crap, most often Flash. We cannot package that in Fedora. So if there is the easy installability of proprietary crap like Mozilla plugins why aren't also the repositories like

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Matej Cepl
On 10.4.2012 08:04, Jan Kratochvil wrote: So if there is the easy installability of proprietary crap like Mozilla plugins why aren't also the repositories like RPMforge pre-configured automatically? What is the difference between RPMforge and Mozilla plugins database? a) there is no

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Matej Cepl
On 9.4.2012 16:06, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Wouldn't it be better to package Mozilla plugins in Fedora so that they are trusted? And then disable Firefox plugins downloads the same way as there is Firefox updater disabled (--disable-updater) as it would conflict/duplicate the rpm packaging of

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 9.4.2012 16:06, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Wouldn't it be better to package Mozilla plugins in Fedora so that they are trusted?  And then disable Firefox plugins downloads the same way as there is Firefox updater disabled

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:40:14 +0200, drago01 wrote: rpm packages do not magically fix security issues. A vulnerability in a plugin can be exploited by an attacker regardless how the plugin got installed. (rpm or not). This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:32:38 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: Yes, it would be nice ... except there are so many addons to package Fedora also does not have about 2 packages that Debian has. Does it mean we should give up on Fedora and switch to Debian because we would have to make 2 packages

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:58 +0200, drago01 wrote: We don't even have a package installation gui that does not suck i.e is usable for most users. Going to a website and click install this addon is way easier from a users pov. Keeping pre-installed MS-Windows on the computer is also way

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jan Kratochvil wrote: This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not (it is not due to Linux firmwares - this part is known). So why isn't Flash + acroread etc. also installed by default or be available in repositories? Because Fedora IS a Free Software

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: We don't even have a package installation gui that does not suck i.e is usable for most users. Neither gnome-packagekit nor Apper suck. They're perfectly usable for most users. We just have a vocal minority of users who grew so accustomed to using the yum command line that they

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:07:45 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Kratochvil wrote: This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not (it is not due to Linux firmwares - this part is known). So why isn't Flash + acroread etc. also installed by default or be available in

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/10/2012 09:24 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:07:45 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jan Kratochvil wrote: This is still unrelated to the point whether Fedora is a Free distro or not (it is not due to Linux firmwares - this part is known). So why isn't Flash + acroread etc.

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, drago01 wrote: Wouldn't it be better to package Mozilla plugins in Fedora so that they are trusted? rpm packages do not magically fix security issues. A vulnerability in a plugin can be exploited by an attacker regardless how the plugin got installed. (rpm or not).

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, drago01 wrote: Wouldn't it be better to package Mozilla plugins in Fedora so that they are trusted? rpm packages do not magically fix security issues. A vulnerability in a plugin can be exploited

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-10 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/10/2012 11:08 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2012, drago01 wrote: Wouldn't it be better to package Mozilla plugins in Fedora so that they are trusted? rpm packages do not magically fix security issues. A

Re: Mozilla plugins packaging [Re: SELinuxDenyPtrace: Write, compile, run, but don't debug applications?]

2012-04-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:56:06 +0200, Paul Wouters wrote: Only if you man the helpdesk for answering why users cannot install adblock in firefox. Do you mean mozilla-adblockplus-1.3.10-4.fc16.noarch? And if it is so wanted feature let it be installed in default Fedora installation and nobody will