I use the gmail android app and on desktop I use the gmail web interface.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:19 PM Przemek Klosowski via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On 8/27/19 8:36 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > Regarding NNTP I've haven't used newsreaders in years and to be honest
> dea
On 8/27/19 8:36 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Regarding NNTP I've haven't used newsreaders in years and to be honest dealing
with yet another tool isn't something I would want to do
I forgot what email client you use, but all clients I ever used (Emacs
and Thunderbird) also do NNTP. After all, it'
Neal, while you're at it, can you find out what is going on with the RSS
support. There was quite a bit of discussion about it - but that has been
going on for years now and nothing seems to be happening.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:49 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:31 PM Emman
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:40 AM Kevin Kofler wrote:
> I wrote:
> >> But what about the die-hard NNTP users? You entirely ignored my post to
> >> which you are supposedly replying.
>
> Gerald B. Cox replied:
> > I believe there is a plugin for that with Discourse:
> > https://meta.discourse.org/t/
I wrote:
>> But what about the die-hard NNTP users? You entirely ignored my post to
>> which you are supposedly replying.
Gerald B. Cox replied:
> I believe there is a plugin for that with Discourse:
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/sync-discourse-with-nntp/58602
It would be great to get that deplo
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:03:37 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Show what? Sorry, I don't know what your talking about. Have you ever
> used RSS? When you subscribe to a feed, you get the article... in this
> case it would be the email in HyperKitty. When you click on the title, it
> opens u
Show what? Sorry, I don't know what your talking about. Have you ever
used RSS? When you subscribe to a feed, you get the article... in this
case it would be the email in HyperKitty. When you click on the title, it
opens up the sourced article on the web. In this case it would be the
email wi
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:58:11 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> >
> > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading?
>
> Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my
> Feedreader, I would
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading?
Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my
Feedreader, I would be reading the contents from the feed, and if I was
interested in replying,
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Hey Kevin:
>
>
> > Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> >
> > If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even
> > provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to
> > happen.
> >
> >
> > But yo
> On 8/27/19 11:00 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> Would your concerns be addressed if tjere was a gateway from this email
> list to Discord? Would something simple that just stores each email in a
> separate Discord item work, and if not, why?
>
> BTW, is there a gateway of this sort already some
Hey Kevin:
> Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even
> provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to
> happen.
>
>
> But you are assuming that we actually WANT to migrate, which is NOT the
> case.
>
LOL
Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> If the requirement is that discourse completely replicate 100% the
> functionality of mailing lists, that is unreasonable and isn't going to
> happen.
If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even
provide the same functionality, that is unreasonabl
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:14:45 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> I would assume you would just use mailing list mode and address
> additional recipients. To receive an expert reply I would suggest you ask
> the question here:
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/c/support
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:02:31 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> I never said they were. What I said was expecting and requiring Discourse
> to 100% replicate everything a mailing list does isn't going to happen and
> shouldn't be a requirement.
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:15:16 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Yeah, I completely agree - but that wasn't my intention to try to
> convince. I would like additional topics that mirror those in the mailing
> lists setup on discourse. That way people can use whichever they want.
> The one that p
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:31 PM Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
>
> * Pierre-Yves Chibon [26/08/2019 09:44] :
> >
> > Our recommended solution is to find someone that would maintain the mailman3
> > stack for us.
>
> Does this have to be mailman3 or can it be a different mailing list manager?
>
Mailman 3
* Pierre-Yves Chibon [26/08/2019 09:44] :
>
> Our recommended solution is to find someone that would maintain the mailman3
> stack for us.
Does this have to be mailman3 or can it be a different mailing list manager?
Emmanuel
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On 8/27/19 11:00 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with
mail from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a
misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail
- and I don't want to use an NNTP gateway, I w
Yeah, I completely agree - but that wasn't my intention to try to
convince. I would like additional topics that mirror those in the mailing
lists setup on discourse. That way people can use whichever they want.
The one that people prefer will win. Simple as that.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:45 P
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:34:40PM -0300, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> I personally don't like them. As the threads increase the discussion
> becomes hard to follow...
Unlike a non-threaded view of the same discussion, which becomes
completely impossible to follow (to say nothing about actual
contrib
I'm entirely fine with using discourse WHEN it has a functioning mailing list
mode.
I am not against discourse as such, I am against making changes that forces
everyone to consume the information in exactly the same way.
Ensure that mailing list mode works in a way that the ones who needs that
This conversation is pretty pointless. You are never going to convince
other people to like Discourse more than mailing lists, and they are never
going to convince you the other direction.
-Dan
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:35 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Here is an interesting discussion on "threade
Here is an interesting discussion on "threaded discussions":
https://meta.discourse.org/t/threaded-discussion-is-ultimately-too-complex-to-survive-on-the-public-internet/63172
I personally don't like them. As the threads increase the discussion
becomes hard to follow...
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 11:01, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
> Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with mail from
> mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a misconfiguration.
> I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - and I don't want to use
> a
On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 12:00 -0300, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with
> mail from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a
> misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail
> - and I don't want to use an
I never said they were. What I said was expecting and requiring Discourse
to 100% replicate everything a mailing list does isn't going to happen and
shouldn't be a requirement.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM John Harris wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with mail
from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a
misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - and
I don't want to use an NNTP gateway, I want to use Discourse. Why is that
so hard to
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> I understand there isn't going to be 100% feature parity, but it should be
> good enough - and if it isn't we should be working with the Discourse
> people to improve it rather than just using it as an excuse to not moving
> forward.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Using mail, I have to access the archives to read the full thread.
This is just due to your configuration. You could easily either save the
mailing list to your mailbox, or use an NNTP gateway.
--
John M. Harris, Jr.
Splentity
On 27 August 2019 16:29:28 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. My point is I don't like using
>email
>for forum discussions. The only reason I'm using it here is that I'm
>being
>forced to because "Development Discussions", "KDE Discussions" and
>"Packaging Discu
On Tuesday, 27 August 2019 at 03:38, John Harris wrote:
> On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:54:09 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote:
> > It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this
> > list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent.
Which I'd consider a mi
n't do A, B, C with
> > mailing lists I can counter with an item that email lists cannot do. The
> > fact is that for the vast majority of people, the discourse mailing list
> > functionality is good enough - and as time goes on it continues to
> improve
> > - but a
I would assume you would just use mailing list mode and address
additional recipients. To receive an expert reply I would suggest you ask
the question here:
https://meta.discourse.org/c/support
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:54 AM Julen Landa Alustiza <
jla...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> I'm curiou
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:53:08 AM MST Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
> I'm curious about discourse's options here...
>
> Is quite common on our workflows to have mailing threads that targets a
> couple of fedora mailing list, another outside mailing list and some third
> party individuals when w
I'm sorry, I've missed these. I'll look through the thread to see what
these were.
> The fact is that for the vast
> majority of people, the discourse mailing list functionality is good
> enough
> - and as time goes on it continues to improve - but again, it's
> no
I'm curious about discourse's options here...
Is quite common on our workflows to have mailing threads that targets a couple
of fedora mailing list, another outside mailing list and some third party
individuals when we discuss about an specific feature.
The xen criteria one for example, it had
to improve - but again, it's not reasonable to expect or demand 100%. IMO
> > the pros outweigh the cons.
>
> Where was this poll that you used to determine that it's "good enough"? What
> pros?
>
> > The top of this email thread is: No longer
. IMO
> the pros outweigh the cons.
Where was this poll that you used to determine that it's "good enough"? What
pros?
> The top of this email thread is: No longer supporting mailing lists
> and my understanding is that Fedora is searching for people to take over
>
od enough - and as time goes on it continues to improve
> - but again, it's not reasonable to expect or demand 100%. IMO the pros
> outweigh the cons.
>
> The top of this email thread is: No longer supporting mailing lists
> and my understanding is that Fedora is searching
lity is good enough - and as time goes on it continues to
>improve
>- but again, it's not reasonable to expect or demand 100%. IMO the
>pros
>outweigh the cons.
>
>The top of this email thread is: No longer supporting mailing lists
>and my understanding is that Fedora is
ajority of people, the discourse mailing list
functionality is good enough - and as time goes on it continues to improve
- but again, it's not reasonable to expect or demand 100%. IMO the pros
outweigh the cons.
The top of this email thread is: No longer supporting mailing lists
and my understand
Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> What issues are you referring to? I don't believe it is reasonable to
> believe everything would work exactly the same with Discourse - but close
> enough should be sufficient. There are also myriad advantages to
> Discourse. Others are also looking at this:
> https://dis
Markus Larsson writes:
« HTML content follows »
On 26 August 2019 12:56:42 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
What issues are you referring to? I don't believe it is reasonable to
believe everything would work exactly the same with Discourse - but
close enough should be sufficient. There are also
On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:25:52 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> Here you go...
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298
This was clearly written by somebody who has an agenda. Just look at the last
sentence in the opening paragraph!
Other than that, I'll address the
On Monday, August 26, 2019 8:15:07 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote:
> On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>
> >> On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Was it a lengthy conversation where you needed context from earlier
> >
> >posts?
> >
> >>
On Monday, August 26, 2019 5:27:53 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> > It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to
> > this list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been
> > sent.
> >
> > As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I don'
On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:54:09 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote:
> It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this
> list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent.
>
> As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I don't
> think e
On 26 August 2019 17:28:03 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>> On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>>
>> The only reason to bring it up when replying to me is that you think
>it applies here. So
>> while you explicitly did not mention me there's not very many other
>ways it can
> On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox"
> The only reason to bring it up when replying to me is that you think it
> applies here. So
> while you explicitly did not mention me there's not very many other ways it
> can be
> interpreted.
>
> So the best way is to sneak it in?
> That i
On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>> On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>>
>> Was it a lengthy conversation where you needed context from earlier
>posts?
>> Was is easily at hand right in your email client?
>>
>>
>> That's exactly my point. The advan
On 26/08/2019 16:12, Alec Leamas wrote:
oops...
Or, perhaps Postorious/GNU Mailman. Fedora has moved to it and seems
happy. It offers some web-related functionality on top of a
traditional mailing.
The evil of subscribing to both debian-devel and fedora-devel and mixing
it up. Please
On 26/08/2019 16:04, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
The best way to solve this is to create a duplicate discussion group on
Discourse for Development and monitor it's use. The only way people are going
to be able to decide if it's good for them or not is to try it.
_
Or, perhaps Postorious/GNU Mail
> On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox"
> Was it a lengthy conversation where you needed context from earlier posts?
> Was is easily at hand right in your email client?
>
>
> That's exactly my point. The advantages listed are mere stated opinions.
> Except
> editing and community mo
On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>> It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards
>to this list is that
>> discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent.
>>
>> As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I
>don't think em
> It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this
> list is that
> discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent.
>
> As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I don't think
> email is
> too hard to use, I don't think large mailinglists
It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this
list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent.
As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I don't think
email is too hard to use, I don't think large mailinglists are a problem,
If you disagree with something that is stated, you need to in detail
explain why, not just claim it is marketing and therefore invalid.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:30 AM Markus Larsson wrote:
>
>
> On 26 August 2019 13:25:52 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
> >Here you go...
> >https://meta.discourse
On 26 August 2019 13:25:52 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
>Here you go...
>https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298
Yes, I'm aware of their marketing. What I was after was data from someone that
doesn't have a horse in the race.
Here you go...
https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298
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On 26 August 2019 12:56:42 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote:
What issues are you referring to? I don't believe it is reasonable to
believe everything would work exactly the same with Discourse - but
close enough should be sufficient. There are also myriad advantages to
Discourse.
Are these advant
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:32:06 AM MST you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RE: No longer supporting mailing lists:
> This project literally cannot function without mailing lists. We do not
> currently have a viable alternative. See all of the issues we
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:50:29AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Anyway, I thought this is about switching to external hosting of mailing
> lists for those who need them, not banning them altogether.
That is correct, while discussing investing in mailing lists the CPE team was
really clear that t
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 6:51 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
>
> Have you ever encountered the daily message limit? It seems to be quite
> low, at 100. That alone seems to make mailing list mode useless.
>
>
The daily message limit is a site controlled parameter. It can be changed
by the
administrato
* John Harris:
> RE: No longer supporting mailing lists:
> This project literally cannot function without mailing lists. We do not
> currently have a viable alternative. See all of the issues we've had trying
> to
> work with Mailing List mode on Discourse. It is not a com
h engine optimization of Discourse
> > makes it easier for new people to discover conversations in
> > Google/DuckDuckGo/et al, but this is only one factor.
>
>
>
> > It is also worth noting Fedora Infrastructure no longer supports mailing
> > lists:
>
>
onally I think
> the improved search engine optimization of Discourse makes it easier for
> new people to discover conversations in Google/DuckDuckGo/et al, but this
> is only one factor.
> It is also worth noting Fedora Infrastructure no longer supports mailing
> lists:
> htt
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