Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-09 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:24:33AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2013 08:02 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 03:29:57AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Shall we talk about how Red Hat employees have been granted all kinds of privileges within our community without as

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread David Tardon
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 03:29:57AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Shall we talk about how Red Hat employees have been granted all kinds of privileges within our community without as even bother to introduce themselves to the community even to the extent that fesco is now judging people if

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 10/05/2013 05:34 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/04/2013 06:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:14:27PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why should the community participate in this when it turns out that the the whole WG and the next proposal is nothing but an

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/08/2013 06:02 AM, David Tardon wrote: I respectfully suggest that you be silent if you do not know the facts. Your credibility is diminishing rapidly with every untrue statement you put forth. You did comprehend I was not only talking about PP right? JBG -- devel mailing list

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-10-07 13:56, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Hi Jóhann, I do agree with you that the interaction between Red Hat and Fedora needs to be clearer, and that currently it is a bit vaguely defined and thus it gives ground to conspiracy theories and feelings of disenfranchisement.

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/08/2013 07:00 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: Hi Johann, you use the word *the community* in your emails a lot, but I don't see many others supporting your opinion, Hi Jiri There are other ways to than being visible to show support and sometimes it's not the best strategy to do so. When

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread DJ Delorie
That said, please don't top-post: [1] Also, please trim irrelevant material [1] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: People are supporting me plenty privately This answer does not hold up to scrutiny as a response to Jirka's inquiry. Such an arrangement requires publicly visible proxies to be credible. An alternative arrangement

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-08 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:27:18AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/08/2013 06:02 AM, David Tardon wrote: I respectfully suggest that you be silent if you do not know the facts. Your credibility is diminishing rapidly with every untrue statement you put forth. You did comprehend I

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 10/05/2013 07:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: So every time you say that, I can't help thinking you're just jealous they took someone « outside the community » instead of you. It might not be what you're thinking, but it's really how you sound. Maybe

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/07/2013 08:20 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On 10/05/2013 07:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: I'd say most of Fedora (and even most of Red Hatters) would quit immediately in case the company starts behave like you think it behaves. And I'm saying it as a guy who

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread 80
2013/10/7 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com Or people turn a blind eye to the facts on what's actually taking place. - It places distrust in the community ( as came completely clear on last FESCO meeting ) Fesco members are all elected by contributors (no nominated members by Red

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
Hi Jóhann, I do agree with you that the interaction between Red Hat and Fedora needs to be clearer, and that currently it is a bit vaguely defined and thus it gives ground to conspiracy theories and feelings of disenfranchisement. That said I think you too need to be open to that Red Hat, like

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (2013-10-05 05:29:57) Shall we talk about how Red Hat employees have been granted all kinds of privileges within our community without as even bother to introduce themselves to the community even to the extent that fesco is now judging people if they are

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.10.2013 22:18, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 10/05/2013 07:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: So every time you say that, I can't help thinking you're just jealous they took someone « outside the community » instead of you. It might not be what you're thinking, but it's really how you

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/05/2013 07:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: So every time you say that, I can't help thinking you're just jealous they took someone « outside the community » instead of you. It might not be what you're thinking, but it's really how you sound. Maybe those « individuals » are just more

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-06 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 06/10/2013 22:18, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit : You are making the assumption that Red Hat has not already offered me a job as well as the fact that I would associate my name to a company when behaves like this. Good for you... JBG I don't think that's what Mathieu meant here and I

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Saturday, October 05, 2013 11:29 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Did you look at the history who signed up to the WG page before it even got announced to the community? Who? People who were at Flock and/or had read the meeting logs and knew about the WG about to be announced. I knew

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-05 Thread Frankie Onuonga
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Saturday, October 05, 2013 11:29 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Did you look at the history who signed up to the WG page before it even got announced to the community? Who? People who were at Flock and/or

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-04 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:14:27PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why should the community participate in this when it turns out that the the whole WG and the next proposal is nothing but an utter and total

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/04/2013 09:50 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm sorry Jóhann, but I can't sit here and watch you make those kinds of accusations without sharing what I saw and experienced while I

Re: Red Hat and Fedora Working Groups

2013-10-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/04/2013 06:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:14:27PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why should the community participate in this when it turns out that the the whole WG and the next proposal is nothing but an utter and total sheninagan on RH behalf as came