Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 12:15:09AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> Those do get ported. I didn't mean to be confusing. "buildbot", the >> Python based build tool, is unlikely to ever be ported. Not that it's >> a very

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 12:15:09AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Those do get ported. I didn't mean to be confusing. "buildbot", the > Python based build tool, is unlikely to ever be ported. Not that it's > a very good tool, but it remains additionally unlikely to be ported > due to the extra

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Qua, 2016-08-03 at 00:11 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > wrote: > > > > On 08/02/2016 12:25 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > > > > > > It's a burden, usually solved by ignoring one or the other. Since > > >

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > wrote: >> On 08/02/2016 12:25 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >>> It's a burden, usually solved by ignoring one or the other. Since >>>

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 08/02/2016 12:25 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> It's a burden, usually solved by ignoring one or the other. Since >> systemd is always incompatible and always will be incompatible with >> anything but

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 10:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 08/02/2016 10:23 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > I do not actually have to prove anything, in a welcoming community you > > give the beneit of the doubt that people researched and know what they > > are talking about and you

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On 08/02/2016 10:23 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: I do not actually have to prove anything, in a welcoming community you give the beneit of the doubt that people researched and know what they are talking about and you stick to actual fact in whatever they produce, not to some badge of credentials

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 10:09 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 08/02/2016 09:24 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 09:11 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > >> On 07/31/2016 06:29 AM, Parag Nemade wrote: > >> > >>> Kevin has already given a detailed information how longer

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On 08/02/2016 12:25 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: It's a burden, usually solved by ignoring one or the other. Since systemd is always incompatible and always will be incompatible with anything but relatively modern Linux distrubitutions, guess which packages never get ported to non-Linux

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On 08/02/2016 09:24 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 09:11 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/31/2016 06:29 AM, Parag Nemade wrote: Kevin has already given a detailed information how longer it took to retire these packages. Also see this

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On 07/31/2016 03:18 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: why such hurry ? There has been a more than enough time for this migration to happen already and now it's existence has started to hinder other changes and adoptions in the distribution. The initial target was for the feature completion was F20

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Tue, 2016-08-02 at 09:11 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 07/31/2016 06:29 AM, Parag Nemade wrote: > > > Kevin has already given a detailed information how longer it took to > > retire these packages. Also see this > > https://fedoramagazine.org/systemd-converting-sysvinit-scripts/ >

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On 07/31/2016 06:29 AM, Parag Nemade wrote: Kevin has already given a detailed information how longer it took to retire these packages. Also see this https://fedoramagazine.org/systemd-converting-sysvinit-scripts/ Take that article with a grain of salt since it's written by somebody that has

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 08:25:01PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Depends on the init script. I can set up sshd, for example, to run on > a non-privileged port as a non-root user, and tweak the init script > very slightly to support that. Other testable daemons, like Jenkins or > Tomcat,

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:58:42AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> There remain compelling reasons to avoid systemd for daemons. The need >> for system privileges to activate systemd based startups instead of >> being

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:58:42AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > There remain compelling reasons to avoid systemd for daemons. The need > for system privileges to activate systemd based startups instead of > being to debug init scripts as a non-root user and the complete I'm confused; are you

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 04:18:18 +0100 > Sérgio Basto wrote: > >> why we need retire sysvinit-only packages ? > > Because they have had 10+ releases to adjust and haven't. There remain compelling reasons to

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

Hi, On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Sáb, 2016-07-30 at 22:29 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 04:18:18 +0100 >> Sérgio Basto wrote: >> >> > >> > why we need retire sysvinit-only packages ? >> Because they have had

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Sáb, 2016-07-30 at 22:29 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 04:18:18 +0100 > Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > > > why we need retire sysvinit-only packages ?  > Because they have had 10+ releases to adjust and haven't.  > > > > > is not suppose systemd > > support

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 04:18:18 +0100 Sérgio Basto wrote: > why we need retire sysvinit-only packages ? Because they have had 10+ releases to adjust and haven't. > is not suppose systemd > support sysvinit and why don't you fixed the packages like you will do > for nagios ?

Re: finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 04:18:18AM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Sex, 2016-07-29 at 10:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * #1605 finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages  (nirik, > > 16:24:51) > >   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1605   (nirik, > > 16:24:51) > >   * AGREED:

finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-29)

On Sex, 2016-07-29 at 10:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * #1605 finish retirement of sysvinit-only packages  (nirik, > 16:24:51) >   * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1605   (nirik, > 16:24:51) >   * AGREED: retire packages on list aside nagios (which must be fixed > by >     alpha)