> It's part of what nss-myhostname provides. There's clearly no
> consensus on the "gateway" feature.
The belief of operating systems' programmers that a lack of a default
gateway must imply no network connectivity constricts useful network
designs.
My objection to the "gateway" name is
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> Sorry to reply with such a delay.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 07:43:35PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>> I also think that the whole gethostname(2) mechanism is terminally
>> screwed up. We abuse the
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 01:11:48PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> > Sorry to reply with such a delay.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 07:43:35PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> >> I also think that the
On 3.2.2016 16:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:57:37PM +0100, Jan Pokorný wrote:
>> attempt on settle this one down: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6761
>
> rfc6761 is a useful reference, but it doesn't really solve this
> discussion one way or another.
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:57:37PM +0100, Jan Pokorný wrote:
> attempt on settle this one down: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6761
rfc6761 is a useful reference, but it doesn't really solve this
discussion one way or another.
It's concerned with names to be "carved off a sub-tree of the DNS
Sorry to reply with such a delay.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 07:43:35PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> I also think that the whole gethostname(2) mechanism is terminally
> screwed up. We abuse the hostname for multiple purposes:
>
> 1. It shows up in the default bash prompt.
>
> 2. It gets sent
On 25/01/16 19:43 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> I think that the "gateway" override should not be conflated with
> always letting the gethostname(2) return value resolve.
>
> I also think that the whole gethostname(2) mechanism is terminally
> screwed up. We abuse the hostname for multiple
On 01/26/2016 08:58 AM, Petr Spacek wrote:
> So, please, do not push "gateway." or any other single-label name forward. It
> will cause trouble sooner or later.
I think “_gateway” or “gateway_” would work, despite being a single
label. We could give this one priority over DNS, even.
Florian
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On Tue, 26.01.16 08:58, Petr Spacek (pspa...@redhat.com) wrote:
> I disagree with your disagreement. We have only 1 shared namespace for this
> world, and like it or not, the root zone (and thus all single-label names in
> it) is managed by ICANN.
Well, did you actually read the earlier
On 01/26/2016 12:45 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 26.01.16 08:58, Petr Spacek (pspa...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> I disagree with your disagreement. We have only 1 shared namespace for this
>> world, and like it or not, the root zone (and thus all single-label names in
>> it) is managed by
On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 19:43 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Peter Robinson > wrote:
> > > > > > > It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is
> > > > > > > only supposed
> > > > > > > to have an effect if 'gateway' is not
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 19:43 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Peter Robinson > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is
>> > >
On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 09:47 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dan Williams
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 19:43 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Peter Robinson <
> > > pbrobin...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
>
On 01/26/2016 09:47 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
I still think that, for the default workstation use case, configuring
a hostname as a mandatory part of installation is counterproductive.
Would it make sense to improve support for hostname-less workstations?
NetworkManager could take
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 01/26/2016 09:47 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> I still think that, for the default workstation use case, configuring
>> a hostname as a mandatory part of installation is counterproductive.
>> Would it make sense to
On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 13:32 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Samuel Sieb
> wrote:
> > On 01/26/2016 09:47 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> > >
> > > I still think that, for the default workstation use case,
> > > configuring
> > > a hostname as a
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>> >>> It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is only supposed
>>> >>> to have an effect if 'gateway' is not defined in the local DNS (the
>>> >>> 'domain' or 'search' zones). Would it help if those
On 25.1.2016 17:39, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 25.01.16 17:11, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> On 01/25/2016 03:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25.01.16 09:08, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
>>>
> It is intended as a convenient fallback
On Fri, 22.01.16 19:06, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 01/21/2016 11:18 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
> > PS - There is some other discussion around "mymachines" which seems much
> > more
> > problematic. I'd like to just focus on myhostname for now. The glibc
> > maintainer
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On 01/22/2016 01:06 PM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 01/21/2016 11:18 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
>> PS - There is some other discussion around "mymachines" which seems much
>> more problematic. I'd like to just focus on myhostname for now. The
>>
On Mon, 25.01.16 09:08, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is only supposed
> > to have an effect if 'gateway' is not defined in the local DNS (the
> > 'domain' or 'search' zones). Would it help if those limitations were
> > more
On Mon, 25.01.16 17:11, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 01/25/2016 03:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 25.01.16 09:08, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >>> It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is only supposed
> >>> to have an effect
On 01/25/2016 03:23 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 25.01.16 09:08, Florian Weimer (fwei...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>>> It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is only supposed
>>> to have an effect if 'gateway' is not defined in the local DNS (the
>>> 'domain' or 'search'
On 01/22/2016 10:45 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> On 01/21/2016 11:18 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>
>>> PS - There is some other discussion around "mymachines" which seems much
>>> more
>>> problematic. I'd like to
>> >>> It is intended as a convenient fallback mechanism, and is only supposed
>> >>> to have an effect if 'gateway' is not defined in the local DNS (the
>> >>> 'domain' or 'search' zones). Would it help if those limitations were
>> >>> more explicit, e.g. documented in nss-myhostname(8)?
>> >>
>>
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 07:06:26PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 01/21/2016 11:18 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>
> > PS - There is some other discussion around "mymachines" which seems much
> > more
> > problematic. I'd like to just focus on myhostname for now. The glibc
> > maintainer has
On 01/21/2016 11:18 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> PS - There is some other discussion around "mymachines" which seems much more
> problematic. I'd like to just focus on myhostname for now. The glibc
> maintainer has indicated that he wants to wait for mymachines to be resolved,
> but it's almost
See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1284323 as well
For a while (from 197-1 until 228-5), systemd added "myhostname" to the end of
the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf in %post via sed. This has been removed
as it is error prone, and the above request filed to add it by default to
On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 15:18 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1284323 as well
>
> For a while (from 197-1 until 228-5), systemd added "myhostname" to
> the end of
> the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf in %post via sed. This has been
> removed
> as
Hi,
yes, it's been a while with little progress. Initially I thought
it would be just a packaging issue, but various issues were raised
which require upstream fixes. I let it slip, but I still hope
to get this finished. Thank you for pushing for a resolution.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 03:18:47PM
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