Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On Jan 17, 2008, at 23:18 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > >> Tom Hannen wrote: >>> I disagree with the idea of censoring games based on violence. I >>> think that a warning at the top of any page should be sufficient. >> While I agree with your your anti-censure POV, I thi

Re: font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Albert Cahalan wrote: > Yes. It got buried in my inbox while I had to make up > some hours for work. Also, you asked for a copy of > the full thing, but I need to regenerate that and I might > as well throw in the new characters while I'm at it. > > BTW, I was mistaken. It's about 1000 characters

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Jan 17, 2008, at 23:18 , Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > Tom Hannen wrote: >> I disagree with the idea of censoring games based on violence. I >> think that a warning at the top of any page should be sufficient. > > While I agree with your your anti-censure POV, I think > the whole thread is moot

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Gordon Hopper
All games in the PC Doom series were rated M (Mature) by the ESRB [1]. This Doom is the first one in the series, and thus the least graphic of the lot. If we trust the ratings of the ESRB, then M means it is not appropriate for children ages 5-16, who are the primary target audience of the laptop

Re: font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Jan 17, 2008 11:24 PM, Bernardo Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Albert Cahalan wrote: > > > Many people report that that font is also too small. > > You can try my 15x30 font, which many people love. > > It's attached to this email. > > It's already the second time you attach your font.

Re: font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Albert Cahalan wrote: > Many people report that that font is also too small. > You can try my 15x30 font, which many people love. > It's attached to this email. It's already the second time you attach your font. Have you seen my message where I ask you where the glyphs came from and under what l

Re: Switch to a sane packaging and upgrade system

2008-01-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Bernardo Innocenti wrote: > C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > My thoughts are that I would like to write a yum post-install hook > > which stashed a copy of the RPMs installed to /home/olpc/.rpmcache. A > > post-upgrade hook (in olpc-configure) would attempt to reinstall all

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Jeffrey Kesselman
2008/1/17 Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008-01-17T21:09:22 Ties Stuij: > > > > What's wrong with erring on the safe side with a controversial > > > > topic like video game violence in a learning setting like the > > > > OLPC project. > > [...] > > As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Tom Hannen wrote: > I disagree with the idea of censoring games based on violence. I > think that a warning at the top of any page should be sufficient. While I agree with your your anti-censure POV, I think the whole thread is moot as it's based on the assumption of Doom II being a *violent* gam

New joyride build 1544

2008-01-17 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1544 Changes in build 1544 from build: 1543 Size delta: 6M -olpc-library-common 1-18 +olpc-library-common 1-19 -olpc-library-core 1-19 +olpc-library-core 1-20 --- Changes for olpc-library-common 1-19 from 1-18 --- + selection/index fi

Re: [OLPC-Devel] Switch to a sane packaging and upgrade system

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Iain (XO) Davidson wrote: > I definitely discovered the issue, when I installed a bunch of packages > via 'yum' (like 'update', and programs mc, vlc, emacs,etc). Then > suddenly they were gone after an update. > > Doing something via 'yum update' and some trickery with the XS server / > DNS /

Re: Switch to a sane packaging and upgrade system

2008-01-17 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > My thoughts are that I would like to write a yum post-install hook > which stashed a copy of the RPMs installed to /home/olpc/.rpmcache. A > post-upgrade hook (in olpc-configure) would attempt to reinstall all > rpms found in /home/olpc/.rpmcache. This would address thi

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Michail Bletsas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/17/2008 02:17:44 PM: > I apologize if I am over simplifying: > > - mesh stop was considered when we had compatibility issues with > lazy-wds routers. We addressed this, right? Do we still need this > feature? Michail? The only reason to have this, is for debugging

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Michail Bletsas
David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/17/2008 06:26:38 PM: > > It uses CMD_802_11_RADIO_CONTROL with the RADIO_OFF argument, which I > believe is the correct thing to do. > If that's the case then it does the right thing - no need to worry with the earlier iwpriv call. M.__

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Let's not forget the dongles that act as dumb repeaters on their own, based on their firmware. Are they gonna use a different firmware instead? p. David Woodhouse wrote: > We should change the firmware so that it isn't active automatically as > soon as it's loaded -- let the driver activate it w

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Friday 18 January 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> I see no point in OLPC >> arguing with either governments or families about their rights in >> these matters. Others may wish to, but that is no part of the >> question >> before us. > > I th

Re: font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Albert Cahalan
Michael Stone writes: > I assume you're talking about the virtual terminal here; not the > Terminal activity. As root, you my try a command like: > > setfont sun12x22 Many people report that that font is also too small. You can try my 15x30 font, which many people love. It's attached to this em

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Albert Cahalan
Bryan Berry writes: > I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated > with OLPC. Albert Cahalan points out that games like Doom can > teach geometry and other skills. There are ways to teach those > skills w/out involving violence. I work in Nepal, a country > recovering from an

Re: Voting in Trac

2008-01-17 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > How will you developers who are triaging tickets use that votes? I don't think there'll be a formal process. If there's a bug we think of as relatively unimportant that ends up with a lot of votes, that could be a good argument for revisiting its priority. That's the main use case we'r

Re: New PyGTK Tutorials

2008-01-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 20:15 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Wade, > >> I wrote one today as well, after porting 3D Pong from OLPCGames to >> pure PyGTK + cairo (it's a lot slower unfortunately, either their >> line drawing or their text drawing needs serious optimization). I >> had

Re: Voting in Trac

2008-01-17 Thread Korakurider
Let me ask basic question about the feature: How will you developers who are triaging tickets use that votes? I think the process to handle votes should be defined if we really want use it. And would you suggest people to vote actively ? /Korakurider On Jan 18, 2008 7:11 AM, Noah Kantrowitz <[EMA

Re: New PyGTK Tutorials

2008-01-17 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Wade, > I wrote one today as well, after porting 3D Pong from OLPCGames to > pure PyGTK + cairo (it's a lot slower unfortunately, either their > line drawing or their text drawing needs serious optimization). I > had to spend a bunch of time researching how to get smooth > anima

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Giannis Galanis
I see. But i hope this is not done only because of the airline issue, and that there are other reasons that it useful to boot with firmware unloaded. Because as far as the airline issue is concerned, we should not take it tooo seriously. As long as we have a working solution it is fine. Not many p

New joyride build 1543

2008-01-17 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1543 Changes in build 1543 from build: 1542 Size delta: 0M -olpc-hardware-manager 0.4.1-7.olpc2 +olpc-hardware-manager 0.4.2-1.olpc2 -Read 40 +Read 41 --- Changes for olpc-hardware-manager 0.4.2-1.olpc2 from 0.4.1-7.olpc2 --- + Relax

Re: New PyGTK Tutorials

2008-01-17 Thread Wade Brainerd
I wrote one today as well, after porting 3D Pong from OLPCGames to pure PyGTK + cairo (it's a lot slower unfortunately, either their line drawing or their text drawing needs serious optimization). I had to spend a bunch of time researching how to get smooth animation out of PyGTK, so here are my r

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 19:16 -0500, Giannis Galanis wrote: > It must be noted that the important issue of this discussion is how to have > the radio blocked from BEFORE the XO boots, so as not to be conflicting with > the airline regulations. We should change the firmware so that it isn't active a

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Friday 18 January 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > I see no point in OLPC > arguing with either governments or families about their rights in > these matters. Others may wish to, but that is no part of the question > before us. I think this is exactly the point. Distributing violent games to minor

Re: problem compiling the firmware

2008-01-17 Thread fr�ffffffffffe9d�ffffffffffe9ric
It was all my fault I did svn under macosX , then copied the files on a USB key then to my PC USB = Fat32 = no majucules so head.S became head.s Solution made a tar from the svn directory and detared it on my PC modified a litlle bit the scripts so that it didn t need to wget downloaded fw.publ

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Giannis Galanis
It is included in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wireless_Driver_README and if it helps i believe it was removed around september i believe. It was definitely an active ioctl. It must be noted that the important issue of this discussion is how to have the radio blocked from BEFORE the XO boots, so as

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Jameson "Chema" Quinn wrote: > Oops - I have to stop using that 'reply' button in gmail. This was meant > to go to the list in general, the first half is now obsolete (except to > make me look like a fool) because Antoine responded, but the second half > is still valid. Thank you Chema. I rea

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Jan 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Antoine van Gelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bennett Todd wrote: > > Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the > > disagreement will fade right out. Absolutely not. I for one take an entirely contrary view on violence. Background first: I have playe

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Carol Lerche
May I suggest that we take a step back from the debate about doom? I see a general problem with the activities page, in that there is insufficient information there to suggest the audience ian activity is intended for. There needs to be some way to indicate even if the person using it needs to be

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:32 -0500, Michail Bletsas wrote: > There is an "iwpriv eth0 radiooff/radioon" IOCTL hook in the firmware > which was meant to control the radio power directly - it was removed a few > months ago since it wasn't considered to its thing in the "proper" linux > manner. I

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
Oops - I have to stop using that 'reply' button in gmail. This was meant to go to the list in general, the first half is now obsolete (except to make me look like a fool) because Antoine responded, but the second half is still valid. > You use the word "us" very often. Please tell the list member

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Tom Hannen
pronounce the last 4 letters of the word "touch" 2008/1/17 Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008-01-17T22:49:57 Antoine van Gelder: > > Bennett Todd wrote: > >> Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the > >> disagreement will fade right out. > > > > If I did it to you an

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-17T22:49:57 Antoine van Gelder: > Bennett Todd wrote: >> Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the >> disagreement will fade right out. > > If I did it to you and you would go *ouch* as a result then it is > violent. Well, then asteroids makes it though, I'd be dead bef

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Antoine van Gelder wrote: > Bennett Todd wrote: >> Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the >> disagreement will fade right out. > > > If I did it to you and you would go *ouch* as a result then it is > violent. This rules out Minesweeper, Mari

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: > >> My only objection is that Doom be on the same page as Squeak, Library, >> Speak, etc. I have no problem with it being on a page that explains >> that >> activities w/ violence are not endorsed by OLPC. > > Who picks w

Re: font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Michael Stone
I assume you're talking about the virtual terminal here; not the Terminal activity. As root, you my try a command like: setfont sun12x22 Michael On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 12:27:54PM -0200, Emiliano Pastorino wrote: > How can i change the font size of the console? My eyes hurt... > Thanks! > > -

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Bennett Todd wrote: > Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the > disagreement will fade right out. If I did it to you and you would go *ouch* as a result then it is violent. - antoine ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.or

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Bryan Berry wrote: > My only objection is that Doom be on the same page as Squeak, Library, > Speak, etc. I have no problem with it being on a page that explains > that > activities w/ violence are not endorsed by OLPC. Who picks what is "endorsed" and what isn't?

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > On 17.01.2008 21:53, Antoine van Gelder wrote: >> Also Noah - could you please try and show some empathy for the >> backgrounds of the people you talk to? Do you understand that large >> parts of the rest of the world have not enjoyed the same levels

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Ties Stuij
On Jan 17, 2008 10:46 PM, Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm > asking for _some_ kind of line between the two. The recent DVD > release of the first season of Sesame Street warns that it isn't > appropriate for young children. That creeps me out. > > How do we define the line between Do

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bryan Berry
as possible. > > I missed Doom, didn't know anything about it. Sounds like a good > candidate for putting in a separate place from educational games for > young children. Can we define any sort of objective criteria --- > including "a majority of people expressi

SV: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Jens Andersson
Also, while this discussion certainly is bigger than just Doom, it could be worth to pointing out that a number of organizations have rated Doom as: ESRB: M ESRB: T (GBA) BBFC: 15 OFLC: MA15+ PEGI: 16+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_%28video_game%29) /Jens -Ursprungligt meddelande-

Voting in Trac

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
I have enabled a voting plugin on dev.laptop.org for tickets. To use it just login and click the up or down arrows in the top-right of your favorite/hated tickets. You do not need to click submit on the ticket or anything else. A summary of all open tickets sorted by votes is available at h

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-17T21:09:22 Ties Stuij: > > > What's wrong with erring on the safe side with a controversial > > > topic like video game violence in a learning setting like the > > > OLPC project. > [...] > As was mentioned earlier in this thread, there are always gliding > scales. The solution is not to j

New joyride build 1542

2008-01-17 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1542 Changes in build 1542 from build: 1540 Size delta: 0M -kernel 2.6.22-20080110.1.olpc.940c801838dbaf2 +kernel 2.6.22-20080117.1.olpc.a0ca568e912c1c5 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announc

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Hi Antoine, On 17.01.2008 21:53, Antoine van Gelder wrote: > Also Noah - could you please try and show some empathy for the > backgrounds of the people you talk to? Do you understand that large > parts of the rest of the world have not enjoyed the same levels of > stability and safety that your co

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
Samuel Klein wrote: > > A serious review of Doom [fast, well-programmed, modularly-skinned, > open source] in line with educational goals would not be wasted -- my > guess is that with some art and music and sound effort, and some AI > tweaks, one could use its engine and most of its levels to prod

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks, Chris. And thanks to Ties, Bryan, Noah, and all for sharing their coments -- please use this effort to build a great set of guidelines for what makes a good activity. This is as good a place as any to reiterate the need for overall guidelines for what makes for a good or even a great acti

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Ties Stuij
On Jan 17, 2008 6:37 PM, Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What's wrong with erring on the safe side with a controversial topic > > like video game violence in a learning setting like the OLPC project. > > That doesn't solve anything. It just pushes the decision point down the > scale a

Re: [OLPC-Games] Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Antoine van Gelder
Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > >> I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated with >> OLPC. Albert Cahalan points out that games like Doom can teach >> geometry >> and other skills. There are ways to teach those skills w/out invol

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:18 -0500, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > >> To completely silence the radio: > >> #!/bin/bash > >> rmmod usb8xxx > >> mv /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin.quiet > > > For a more user-friendly solution, (short of a hardware rfkill switch) > > put a toggle some

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
>> To completely silence the radio: >> #!/bin/bash >> rmmod usb8xxx >> mv /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin.quiet > For a more user-friendly solution, (short of a hardware rfkill switch) > put a toggle somewhere in the control panel for "Don't turn the radio on > automatically"

New PyGTK Tutorials

2008-01-17 Thread Chris Hager
Hey all. Jaume and I just had a pizza-and-beer coding session, and the outcome were two tutorials for creating Activities with PyGTK, one of them using Glade. => http://wiki.laptop.org/go/PyGTK/Hello_World_Tutorial We're using activity.py as a wrapper, which loads the code and GTK interface f

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 09:51 -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: > I suppose that OFW could reset the wireless to turn it off and then do > some chipset configuration hack that would make that USB port > disappear. I'm just guessing though; I haven't studied the 5536 manual > with this possibility in mi

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
I suppose that OFW could reset the wireless to turn it off and then do some chipset configuration hack that would make that USB port disappear. I'm just guessing though; I haven't studied the 5536 manual with this possibility in mind. That seems like a fairly horrible way to solve a Linux prob

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
For "airplane mode", is there some command OFW can run to make the whole eth/msh device poweroff and disappear until the next powercycle? If so, maybe we could hook another key check into /boot/olpc.fth? -Bennett pgps5csES4LCD.pgp Description: PGP signature __

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
Thank you! 2008-01-17T19:02:27 Chris Hager: > I feel strongly, that there should be a community discussion, *before* > removing anything from [[Activities]]. And if something is/should be > removed: > > 1. We should write up some Activity-Guidelines Those address my concerns. -Bennett pgp11

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 17:06 -0200, Ricardo Carrano wrote: > Indeed we had this airplane mode discussion two weeks ago: > Why don't we? > --- This is the correct sledgehammer approach as mbletsas has consistently pointed out. For a more user-friendly solution, (short of a hardware rfkill s

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Ricardo Carrano
I apologize if I am over simplifying: - mesh stop was considered when we had compatibility issues with lazy-wds routers. We addressed this, right? Do we still need this feature? Michail? - For airplane mode or relatives, we need to shut up radio (any traffic). On Jan 17, 2008 5:05 PM, Dan William

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 13:30 -0500, Michail Bletsas wrote: > Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/17/2008 12:55:47 PM: > > > > > > When it comes to our radio - we *designed it* to start forward frames > > > soon after you initialize it and keep doing it regardless of what the > > > host inte

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Indeed we had this airplane mode discussion two weeks ago: Why don't we? --- To completely silence the radio: #!/bin/bash rmmod usb8xxx mv /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin /lib/firmaware/usb8883.bin.quiet It will survive reboots. --- To bring it back: #!/bin/bash mv /lib/firmaware/u

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Chris Hager
Aah, this discussion had to be coming ... :p I see the point that it's problematic to 'propagate' violent material on an educational tool for kids 6-14. On the other side, censoring content is problematic as well. I feel strongly, that there should be a community discussion, *before* removing

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:32 -0500, Michail Bletsas wrote: > There is quite a bit of important history removed from this discussion. > > We designed the laptop to be able to do mesh forwarding *all the time*. > This was a fundamental decision because it affected every other choice > that we made i

Re: pyGame fonts

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi Ken, PyGame provides a font module which can render text onto a > surface. ... > > The _() around the text indicates that the string is to be > localized, it will be extracted and placed in a database by the > gettext utility. The PyG

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: > I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated with > OLPC. Albert Cahalan points out that games like Doom can teach > geometry > and other skills. There are ways to teach those skills w/out involving > violence. I work in Nepa

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Michail Bletsas
Hal Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/17/2008 12:55:47 PM: > > > When it comes to our radio - we *designed it* to start forward frames > > soon after you initialize it and keep doing it regardless of what the > > host interface does. > > In the context of making the radio safe to use on ai

Why can't i access /dev/dsp or /dev/snd on my XO

2008-01-17 Thread Arjun Sarwal
On a normal PC I can read data from the sound device by doing from the command line, - cat /dev/snd | od -x (Using od just for readability) On my XO I tried cat /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c | od -x and the error that I get is - cat: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c: File descriptor in bad state 000 I can't figur

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-17T17:31:38 Ricardo Carrano: > Ok, but let's not be radical relativists. Nobody would agree that > pornography (to give an example) would belong in the wiki. Understood. And I'm not arguing for (or against) doom; I've never seen it. What scares me is precedent that anybody can say "I feel

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Ok, but let's not be radical relativists. Nobody would agree that pornography (to give an example) would belong in the wiki. It seems that we do draw lines. All of us, all the time. It is a matter of common sense. In my opinion, violent content does not belong in the OLPC wiki. But has anyone sugge

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
This is a wiki. The question here is not, what is the right decision. If everybody holds out for their version right decision, we have a permanent edit war. The question is, what is a compromise I can live with. And since, as they say on wikipedia, we have plenty of time before the publication dead

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
Hal Murray wrote: >> When it comes to our radio - we *designed it* to start forward frames >> soon after you initialize it and keep doing it regardless of what the >> host interface does. >> > > In the context of making the radio safe to use on airplanes... > > Does the firmware turn the radi

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Hal Murray
> When it comes to our radio - we *designed it* to start forward frames > soon after you initialize it and keep doing it regardless of what the > host interface does. In the context of making the radio safe to use on airplanes... Does the firmware turn the radio on at boot time? Does your "ini

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Hal Murray
> What's wrong with erring on the safe side with a controversial topic > like video game violence in a learning setting like the OLPC project. That doesn't solve anything. It just pushes the decision point down the scale a bit. Instead of arguing whether something is "violent", we'll be argui

Re: Testing the Wireless driver changes

2008-01-17 Thread Michail Bletsas
There is quite a bit of important history removed from this discussion. We designed the laptop to be able to do mesh forwarding *all the time*. This was a fundamental decision because it affected every other choice that we made in the wireless subsystem. One of the issues that it introduced is t

Re: problem compiling the firmware

2008-01-17 Thread Mitch Bradley
Mr frÿffe9dÿffe9ric pouchal wrote: > Hello > > I downloaded the firmware > > svn co svn://openbios/openfirmware > I assume you meant "openbios.org", not just "openbios". > then > > cd ./cpu/x86/pc/olpc/build > I assume you first did "cd openfirmware" > make clean > make

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Ties Stuij
2008/1/17 Bennett Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008-01-17T15:46:31 Bryan Berry: > > I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated with > > OLPC. > > Who decides? Who draws the line between appropriate and > inappropriate? Does anybody with access to email and web get to ban > game

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bennett Todd
2008-01-17T15:46:31 Bryan Berry: > I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated with > OLPC. Who decides? Who draws the line between appropriate and inappropriate? Does anybody with access to email and web get to ban games for being violent, according to their standards? Or is

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
I've made a subpage called Activities/unendorsed , and explained it on the activities page. On a wiki, compromises are the only way to avoid eternal edit wars. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

problem compiling the firmware

2008-01-17 Thread fr�ffffffffffe9d�ffffffffffe9ric
Hello I downloaded the firmware svn co svn://openbios/openfirmware then cd ./cpu/x86/pc/olpc/build make clean make and I get this error make[1]: Entering directory '/openfirmware/clients/memtest86' make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'head.S', needed by 'head.s'. Stop. make[1]: Leaving dir

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Ian Daniher
Bryan, Having dealt with people suffering from PTSD and the like, I agree that Doom should not be on the Activities page. No matter how much one can argue the whole aspect of "Free as in Free Speech," Doom obviously does not fall in with OLPC's missions. I am in agreement that Doom should be remove

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread linaccess
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:46:31 -0500 Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People can host such games on their own sites but they should not be > hosted by OLPC. I quite agree! yokoy -- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.la

Re: Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Tom Hannen
I disagree with the idea of censoring games based on violence. I think that a warning at the top of any page should be sufficient. Games are just another form of creativity... Should we also remove any links to violence in books and artwork, within Wikibrowse for example? Tom On Jan 17, 2008 3

Re: B2s and OFW

2008-01-17 Thread Mike C. Fletcher
Mike C. Fletcher wrote: ... > I just upgraded a B2-2 machine that we're wanting to reassign to another > developer. Seem to have bricked the machine. Used an > auto-reinstallation image (machine appeared to have the original B2-2 > firmware and OS image 216 to start), upgrade to Q2D07 seemed to g

Violent games on the OLPC Activities page

2008-01-17 Thread Bryan Berry
I feel very strongly that violent games should not be associated with OLPC. Albert Cahalan points out that games like Doom can teach geometry and other skills. There are ways to teach those skills w/out involving violence. I work in Nepal, a country recovering from an 11-year civil war. Exposure to

Re: New joyride build 1540

2008-01-17 Thread Reinier Heeres
Hi, Sorry for the dupe; fixed 2 minor issues to get more complete ChangeLogs. Cheers, Reinier Build Announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1540 > > Changes in build 1540 from build: 1538 > > Size delta: -7M > > -dhclient 12:3.0.5-42.fc7 > +dhclient 12:3.

New joyride build 1540

2008-01-17 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1540 Changes in build 1540 from build: 1538 Size delta: -7M -dhclient 12:3.0.5-42.fc7 +dhclient 12:3.0.5-40.fc7 -olpc-library-common 1-16 +olpc-library-common 1-18 -olpc-library-core 1-17 +olpc-library-core 1-19 -sugar 0.75.8-1 +sugar 0.

Re: pyGame fonts

2008-01-17 Thread Wade Brainerd
Hi Ken, PyGame provides a font module which can render text onto a surface. from gettext import gettext as _ font = pygame.font.Font(None, 36) surf = font.render(_("Hello, world!"), 1, (255,255,255)) pos = surf.get_rect(centerx=Pos[0], centery=Pos[1]) screen.blit(surf, pos) The

New joyride build 1540

2008-01-17 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1540 Changes in build 1540 from build: 1538 Size delta: -7M -dhclient 12:3.0.5-42.fc7 +dhclient 12:3.0.5-40.fc7 -olpc-library-common 1-16 +olpc-library-common 1-18 -olpc-library-core 1-17 +olpc-library-core 1-19 -sugar 0.75.8-1 +sugar 0.

font size in console

2008-01-17 Thread Emiliano Pastorino
How can i change the font size of the console? My eyes hurt... Thanks! -- Emiliano Pastorino LATU - Plan Ceibal Av. Italia 6201 CP: 11500, Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: (598 2) 601 3724 int.: 467 ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.lap

Guido van Robot

2008-01-17 Thread stas zytkiewicz
Hi all. I just released Guido van Robot version 3.0. It includes many bug fixes and it now ships with a graphical world builder, two editors ,18 lessons and a language reference. It has syntax highlighting in 9 languages and a debug "stepper" which highlights the current line when the program runs

Re: non-Sugar but core software?

2008-01-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, for Debian I've started http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/OLPC/ToDo yesterday, to document what is working and whats not and what work needs to be done. In general, a document describing how the XO-1-fedora installation differs from a plain fedora would be very much appreciated, also by the

Re: Fwd: Dailymotion for XO laptop

2008-01-17 Thread Jameson "Chema" Quinn
That's great - a 'somebody oughta' thread that actually produces action! Good job, guys! Now, somebody oughta dodge the patents for MP3, too Jameson ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Liba Cohn, Travel Insurance Assures Stress-Free Trip

2008-01-17 Thread william romsay
Liba Cohn, Travel Insurance Assures Stress-Free Trip Liba Cohn Liba Lyustiger Lillian Sarah Lyustiger lillian sarah cohn sara lyustiger natalija lyustiger cohn lyustiger sarah lyustiger Imagine you're scheduled for a pampering two-week vacation in Australia for that much needed break with your