I imagine it would be interesting to the devel and sugar lists to hear
a summary of your observations in the kindergarten classroom as well.
-walter
2008/4/2 Carol Lerche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> For the hangers-on such as myself, it wouldn't be necessary to have a video
> record if that's too diff
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1823
>>
>> Changes in build 1823 from build: 1821
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>> -sugar 0.75.14-1.olpc2
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Wade Brainerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder if the differences between Sugar and a regular window manager
> aren't so severe that it might be worth offering a simple desktop
> environment which runs within Sugar as a Activity?
>
> You would download and la
sorry for the week late reply, was busy w/ teacher training
Michael Stone wrote:
>A much better strategy is
>to reflash an XO, boot it off of external media (like a USB key), make
>changes
>to the NAND, then save-nand, thus avoiding the first-boot configuration
>junk.
Let me make sure my linux-n0
Ok, hopefully that can be discussed at the mini-conf, which I still
can't attend...good to get on the plan for the more planned one at end
of may...probably best if led from the paid OLPC staff side, right?
Jon
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 13:07 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
> Hey, folks. I've been si
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Jon Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can't attend...good to get on the plan for the more planned one at end
> of may...probably best if led from the paid OLPC staff side, right?
No, it's actually best if we get significant community help planning
events like
No changes have been needed to the schedule (yet).
I've posted it on the wiki at:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mini-conference
Remember, the call-in number is:
> From the United States
> 866-213-2185
> From Outside the United States
> 1-609-454-9914
> accesscode: 8069698
and there
On Apr 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, John Watlington wrote:
>
> Meshes of access points don't tend to change topology over time.
> The laptop mesh very well might. The need to handle this is one
> of the problems causing congestion.
>
> Anybody find new algorithms for mobile meshes ?
As well there are p
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1824
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http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1824
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I don't think that we should try to shoe-horn applications into
> activities. If an application's architecture separates the controller
> from the view and thus can expose a simple view component without
> controller
Hi All,
I can't make the mini-conference, but I do want to make one comment on
this subject.
Thousands of hours of teacher training have already gone in to the
current XO deployments. Any dramatic change to the look and feel of the
GUI will largely negate that. Its already very costly to make a
Hi,
this build is not yet functional, as the vte and simplejson packages
are missing. Hopefully the next one will have this solved.
Thanks,
Tomeu
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1824
>
>
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Wade Brainerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, GNOME apps are currently encouraged to provide those embeddable
> > view widgets, as today do Abiword, Evince, Mozilla,... because of the
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Greg Smith (gregmsmi) wrote:
| Thousands of hours of teacher training have already gone in to the
| current XO deployments. Any dramatic change to the look and feel of the
| GUI will largely negate that.
I strongly disagree; indeed, I feel precisely t
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps, in the intervening decade, first-world computer users have
> convinced themselves that they cannot adapt, but they are wrong. Humans
> are very adaptable. A teacher who has learned one version of Sugar w
Let me ad that these changes are motivated from feedback in the field.
What we are trying to change are precisely the things that people are
finding confusing or difficult. Let me further add that very little
"teacher training" has in fact taken place. What we have instead
concentrated on is workin
Hi All,
I'm not opposed to changing the GUI at the OS level. I can think of a
dozen suggestions starting with that annoying "hot corners" thing. I
also love a whole bunch of the design elements.
All I'm saying is that any change comes at a cost. A cost paid by the
teachers, students and people wh
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:42 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > Delta-based storage is an implementation detail, cer
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1825
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Eben are you ok with this?
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:37 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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> 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/src/view/keyhandler.py b/src/view/keyhandler.py
> i
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1825
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Aaron Huslage wrote:
> How do currently available commercial wireless topology mappers do this?
>
I don't have direct experiance (the brother of a friend goes around
installing these things, so my knowledge is third hand)
but my understanding is that they deploy their access
Hi all,
the last joyride build (1825) includes a big part of the shell
redesign explained in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs.
What you can see today in the builds is what most probably will go
into update.2, but there's still lots of work to do in completing the
specifications, some code refact
OK, the mini-conference happened - thanks for trying to let off-siters like
me participate. Here's the Gobby doc which resulted, below are my
post-meeting comments:
Activity sharing:
* Should we show people what the size/download time for a package is before
d/l?
* We might download something mor
Tomeu wrote
> the last joyride build (1825) includes a big part of the shell
> redesign explained in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs.
I'm running Joyride 1825 now on my G1G1. The principal difference
I've noted is in my use of the Home view - now that the currently
running activities are depi
Let's not forget that you need some fixed reference points.
In commercial systems, the locations of the access points are well known.
In ad-hoc networks the best that you can hope for is a topological map.
M.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/02/2008 01:45:14 AM:
> Ryan,
>
> Like Ben said, induc
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Michail Bletsas wrote:
> Let's not forget that you need some fixed reference points.
> In commercial systems, the locations of the access points are well known.
> In ad-hoc networks the best that you can hope for is a topological map.
the assumption was that the measurements a
> There is a "learning curve" involved with the revised Home view
> (F3). It took me a while to realize that NOTHING appears in the
> "circle view of launchable Activities" until I have gone into the
> "list" view and marked the star on each desired Activity. And then
This is a matter of in
The new Home frame design is cool.
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:07:21PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
> > it took a while more to realize that if I clicked within the Home
> > view (as opposed to on the Frame) on the icon of an already-running
> > Activity, a NEW INSTANCE of that Activity would be l
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Michail Bletsas wrote:
>
> Let's not forget that you need some fixed reference points.
> > In commercial systems, the locations of the access points are well
> > known.
> > In ad-hoc networks the best that you can ho
Greg Smith wrote:
>I'm not opposed to changing the GUI at the OS level. I can think of a
>dozen suggestions starting with that annoying "hot corners" thing. I
>also love a whole bunch of the design elements.
>All I'm saying is that any change comes at a cost. A cost paid by the
>teachers, students
2008/4/3 Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 1. for "version threading", what we need for an activity is not a claim like
> "I am a version of activity ID " but "My prior version was XXX and the
> one before that was YYY". What is the granularity of XXX and YYY? I'd say, a
> hash on the
The win-win is when this piece of Greg's advice is followed:
> ...Just make sure its not a surprise to existing users. Also make sure
> they are bought in, understand the benefit and are ready to make the move.
> ...
>
Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:24:10 -0700
And Bryan seems to hav
April Fool's was a good way to present what does eventually need to be
done, and what is done in some other open source projects.
It's a good way of doing it, and would require some work. I would set
up a set of stages with the highest and easiest pay-offs first, e.g.
building versions with and w
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Charles Merriam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> April Fool's was a good way to present what does eventually need to be
> done, and what is done in some other open source projects.
>
> It's a good way of doing it, and would require some work. I would set
> up a set of
2008/4/4 Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> present it yourself via the dialin number, that would be ideal; otherwise
> someone else will present for you (though perhaps not as passionately) and
You haven't been sitting quite close enough to my corner of the office
if you still think that I won't
Just to address a few other issues/questions raised...
If there is only one antenna on a server, then as long as 3 other nodes are
considered relatively stationary, I think their 2D locations can be deduced
from each node's measurements of the other 4. An easy to use interface can
allow the user t
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:04 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/4/4 Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > present it yourself via the dialin number, that would be ideal;
> otherwise
> > someone else will present for you (though perhaps not as passionately)
> and
>
> You haven't
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