Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-25 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)
Excellent; thanks! > On Oct 25, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Pavel Shamis wrote: > > Update: I got conceptual ok from our legal. > - Pasha > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) > wrote: > Fair point; everyone needs to look at this and decide a) if that's ok, or b) > if we want

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-25 Thread Pavel Shamis
Update: I got conceptual ok from our legal. - Pasha On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) < jsquy...@cisco.com> wrote: > Fair point; everyone needs to look at this and decide a) if that's ok, or > b) if we want to change it to incorporate clause #3. > > > > On Oct 12, 2016, at

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-18 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)
Fair point; everyone needs to look at this and decide a) if that's ok, or b) if we want to change it to incorporate clause #3. > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Pavel Shamis wrote: > > I think one of the main add-ons of the CLA over BSD-3 license was the clause > #3 (Grant of Patent License). A

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
I think one of the main add-ons of the CLA over BSD-3 license was the clause #3 (Grant of Patent License). As far as I can tell it does not appear in the new sign-off-CLA. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) < jsquy...@cisco.com> wrote: > On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Pavel S

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)
On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Pavel Shamis wrote: > > You mentioned that such a change will block contributions. Did you mean only > temporarily, while individual Contributor/Member organization legal > departments are reviewing the new terms? If so, that one-time "cost" may be > acceptable,

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
> > You mentioned that such a change will block contributions. Did you mean > only temporarily, while individual Contributor/Member organization legal > departments are reviewing the new terms? If so, that one-time "cost" may > be acceptable, since the goal of the new terms are designed to put us

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)
On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Pavel Shamis wrote: > > Regardless, I would have to notify legal teams about amendment of the > existing CLA. Sure, that's to be expected. I did the same (so did others). > If organizations that already signed the agreement don't have any say, then > this convers

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread r...@open-mpi.org
According to the existing bylaws, only those designated as “members” have voting rights when it comes to such administrative matters. The CLA solely dealt with the right to contribute code - the membership “level” was a separate matter. In the revised bylaws, this tiered membership model has be

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
Regardless, I would have to notify legal teams about amendment of the existing CLA. If organizations that already signed the agreement don't have any say, then this conversation is pointless. -Pasha On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:29 AM, r...@open-mpi.org wrote: > The OMPI community members have had

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread r...@open-mpi.org
The OMPI community members have had their respective legal offices review the changes, but we decided to provide notice and get input from others prior to the formal vote of acceptance. Once approved, there will no longer be a CLA at all. The only requirement for contribution will be the sign-of

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
Well, at least on my side I will not be able to provide the answer without legal involvement. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Gilles Gouaillardet < gilles.gouaillar...@gmail.com> wrote: > My understanding is there will be a vote, and the question will be > "Do we replace existing CLA with the ne

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Gilles Gouaillardet
With the new model, contributions come from individuals (e.g. not organizations). That means it is up to any contributor to check he/she is allowed to contribute and how with his/her employer. /* I am just summarizing a lengthy discussion on the devel-core ML */ Cheers, Gilles On Wednesday, Octo

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Gilles Gouaillardet
My understanding is there will be a vote, and the question will be "Do we replace existing CLA with the new one ?" If we vote to do so, then everyone will have to sign-off their commits, regardless they previously had (or not) signed a CA Cheers, Gilles On Wednesday, October 12, 2016, Pavel Sham

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
> > There might be no more contributor agreement at all... > (See the discussion on the devel-core ML) > My concern (based on experience) that this may prevent some organization from contribution. Obviously people would have to take this back to legal, which may lead to a "freeze" in terms of cont

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread cbergstrom
The term signed patch can mean multiple things, but I'm strongly in favor of any non-trivial code still requiring a contributor agreement. I can give some examples of why long term it makes sense if needed.Short v

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
a. As a developer I think it is a good idea to lower barriers for code contribution. b. IANAL, but this "signature/certification" is not identical to the existing CLA, which I think has special statement about patents. Seems like the new model is a bit more relaxed. Does it mean that OMPI amends ex

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Gilles Gouaillardet
FWIW There might be no more contributor agreement at all... (See the discussion on the devel-core ML) It might be just impossible to have two methods of contributing (contributor agreement and signed-off patches) IANAL and cannot provide any insight on why nor why not Cheers, Gilles On Wednesd

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread George Bosilca
Yes, my understanding is that unsystematic contributors will not have to sign the contributor agreement, but instead will have to provide a signed patch. George. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Pavel Shamis wrote: > Does it mean that contributors don't have to sign contributor agreement ? >

Re: [OMPI devel] New Open MPI Community Bylaws to discuss

2016-10-12 Thread Pavel Shamis
Does it mean that contributors don't have to sign contributor agreement ? On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Geoffrey Paulsen wrote: > We have been discussing new Bylaws for the Open MPI Community. The > primary motivator is to allow non-members to commit code. Details in the > proposal (link be