Re: [freenet-dev] Request for comments

2003-12-04 Thread Salah Coronya
DigitalE wrote: > Request for comments: > > New variable: > Peak Specialization (PS) > Nodes look for a peak in their datastore around a certain key and store > its position as their Peak Specialization (PS) which is advertised to > other nodes whenever a connection is made and stored in routing

[freenet-dev] Request for comments

2003-12-04 Thread DigitalE
Request for comments: New variable: Peak Specialization (PS) Nodes look for a peak in their datastore around a certain key and store its position as their Peak Specialization (PS) which is advertised to other nodes whenever a connection is made and stored in routing tables. This way each node kn

[freenet-dev] Unstable 6376

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
Unstable 6376 is in CVS. Highlights since 6371: Implementation of selective accept under load. This should improve specialization and success ratios under load. Bugfixes. Make 6374 mandatory - we will no longer accept requests from 6374, nor will we route to 6374 nodes. This is the unstable net - n

[freenet-dev] Re:

2003-12-04 Thread DrWoo
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[freenet-dev] Re:

2003-12-04 Thread DrWoo
Misleading Article : seen on www.hardocp.com ,a major hardware/internet news site> "Untraceable Users Traced; How embarrassing is this? A supposed untraceable anonymous network gets busted by the cops…guess they will have to change that whole "untraceable" marketing strategy they had going. A Ja

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet Version.java,1.571,1.572

2003-12-04 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv14403/src/freenet Modified Files: Version.java Log Message: 6376: Make 6374 mandatory Index: Version.java === RCS file: /cvsroot/freenet/fr

[freenet-dev] Re:

2003-12-04 Thread DrWoo
Misleading Article : seen on www.hardocp.com , a major hardware/internet news site> --- This message has been sent by the iip->smtp gateway. Please send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if this service has been abused.

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Why we don't use pSearchFailed any more

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:20:35PM -0800, Martin Stone Davis wrote: > Toad wrote: > > >m0davis suggested that we should use pSearchFailed (or more detailed > >stats), despite backoff. The reason we don't do this is that if we did, > >a node in the RT would get a few queries and then its pSearchFai

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/rt NGRoutingTable.java, 1.64, 1.65 StandardNodeEstimator.java, 1.63, 1.64

2003-12-04 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/rt In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv12328/src/freenet/node/rt Modified Files: NGRoutingTable.java StandardNodeEstimator.java Log Message: 6375: Logging, mostly. Clarify some routing code. Index: NGRoutingTable.java

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet Version.java,1.570,1.571

2003-12-04 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv12328/src/freenet Modified Files: Version.java Log Message: 6375: Logging, mostly. Clarify some routing code. Index: Version.java === RCS f

Re: [freenet-dev] DNDoDNF and STL (was Re: DNFs and the laws of physics)

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:52:50PM -0800, Martin Stone Davis wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > >If, as has been reported, a node which always DNFs gets an increasing > >number of requests then there is a bug in NGR - plain and simple - and > >it should be easy enough to track down. > > > >*This* sh

[freenet-dev] Re: Why we don't use pSearchFailed any more

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Stone Davis
Toad wrote: m0davis suggested that we should use pSearchFailed (or more detailed stats), despite backoff. The reason we don't do this is that if we did, a node in the RT would get a few queries and then its pSearchFailed would increase, and subsequently it would not be routed to at all for a very

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: The Nature of Freenet Specialization

2003-12-04 Thread Ken Corson
Martin Stone Davis wrote: Michael Wiktowy wrote: Correct me if I am wrong here but ... All of those people who have been posting (or expecting) these wonderfully symmetric single peaked bell-shaped request distribution curves may be misrating the health of their node by thinking that this is a goo

[freenet-dev] DNDoDNF and STL (was Re: DNFs and the laws of physics)

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Stone Davis
Ian Clarke wrote: If, as has been reported, a node which always DNFs gets an increasing number of requests then there is a bug in NGR - plain and simple - and it should be easy enough to track down. *This* should be our focus, not iTTL which seems like [yet another] hasty solution to a problem

[freenet-dev] Why we don't use pSearchFailed any more

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
m0davis suggested that we should use pSearchFailed (or more detailed stats), despite backoff. The reason we don't do this is that if we did, a node in the RT would get a few queries and then its pSearchFailed would increase, and subsequently it would not be routed to at all for a very long time, be

Re: [freenet-dev] DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
One other thing: if we are not going to implement iTTL, at the VERY least we should drop the failure table. 'We routed to a node that was less likely to get the key, but faster' is ABSOLUTELY NOT a good enough reason for blocking all requests for the key for the next half hour. Fortunately current

Re: [freenet-dev] DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:07:00PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > If, as has been reported, a node which always DNFs gets an increasing > number of requests then there is a bug in NGR - plain and simple - and > it should be easy enough to track down. > > *This* should be our focus, not iTTL which se

Re: [freenet-dev] DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:07:00PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > If, as has been reported, a node which always DNFs gets an increasing > number of requests then there is a bug in NGR - plain and simple - and > it should be easy enough to track down. > > *This* should be our focus, not iTTL which se

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Ian Clarke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw the black hole code is already being adapted to do smarter things that just dnf. Right now one can set the ratio of requests to be DNFd versus those being dropped; its trivial to make it accept and route certain % of requests as well. This should help us test how other

[freenet-dev] Re: DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread zbalevsk
btw the black hole code is already being adapted to do smarter things that just dnf. Right now one can set the ratio of requests to be DNFd versus those being dropped; its trivial to make it accept and route certain % of requests as well. This should help us test how other nodes see the black h

Re: [freenet-dev] DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Ian Clarke
Ian Clarke wrote: e = pDF*tDF + pDNF*(tDNF * tSearchFailed) oops, that should be: e = pDF*tDF + pDNF*(tDNF + tSearchFailed) ^ ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl

[freenet-dev] DNFs and the laws of physics

2003-12-04 Thread Ian Clarke
If, as has been reported, a node which always DNFs gets an increasing number of requests then there is a bug in NGR - plain and simple - and it should be easy enough to track down. *This* should be our focus, not iTTL which seems like [yet another] hasty solution to a problem we haven't found y

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/states/FNP NewDataRequest.java.BlackHole, 1.1, 1.2

2003-12-04 Thread Zlatin Balevsky
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/states/FNP In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv23667/src/freenet/node/states/FNP Modified Files: NewDataRequest.java.BlackHole Log Message: slightly smarter black hole, more work to follow Index: NewDataRequest.java.BlackHole

Re: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:18:14PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Niklas Bergh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:49 PM > > To: 'Discussion of development issues' > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report > > > > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: FreeMixNet: Mixnet using censorship resistant Freenet routing

2003-12-04 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Newsbyte wrote: > "When a notorious > key becomes known (and the key of e.g. TFE would certainly be > notorious), there will certainly be court orders against all > known Freenet nodes barring them from routing that key. And if > they continue to route the key in such a way th

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: FreeMixNet: Mixnet using censorship resistant Freenet routing

2003-12-04 Thread Edward J. Huff
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 09:43, Jim Dixon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Newsbyte wrote: > > [some political questions...] > > [some good political answers... better than what I was going to say.] > > In fact the hurdles are trivial. The police don't have to bust everyone. > All they need do is identi

[freenet-dev] Re: FreeMixNet: Mixnet using censorship resistant Freenet routing

2003-12-04 Thread jrandom
> Note also that FreeMixNet deals in connections, not content. > To get content, you get a connection to a key which knows > where to get the content, and discuss how to arrange delivery. A very interesting and imho compelling view - seperating the anonymization of who is contacting whom from wher

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet ConnectionHandler.java,1.213,1.214

2003-12-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv306/src/freenet Modified Files: ConnectionHandler.java Log Message: Major refactoring. Moved all variables handling trailer sending state into a separate inner class and added some extra state safeguards

[freenet-dev] Re: Decaying Exponential Decay for binary estimators

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Stone Davis
Kendy Kutzner wrote: On 2003-12-03T13:03:07-0800, Martin Stone Davis wrote: That's fine too. And here's an even better idea: to make it easier to read if DDRA is near 0 or 1, we should display the sequence like this: "0(124) 1 0(56) 1" to indicate a sequence of 124 0's followed by a 1 follow

Re: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Toad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:30:49PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Niklas Bergh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:03 PM > > To: 'Discussion of development issues' > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report > > > >

RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Costas Dokolas
> -Original Message- > From: Niklas Bergh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:49 PM > To: 'Discussion of development issues' > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PR

[freenet-dev] Re: Decaying Exponential Decay for binary estimators

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Stone Davis
Martin Stone Davis wrote: Let DDRA = the decaying decaying running average Let decayingDecayFactor=decayFactor * MIN(DRA,1-DRA) Then compute the new decaying decaying running average as: DDRA := DDRA*(1-decayingDecayFactor) + [1 or 0]*decayingDecayFactor Attached is my attempt to implement this id

Re: [freenet-dev] Build 5555?

2003-12-04 Thread S
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:03:45 -0600 S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about distributing the latest build number through a DBR-based > freesite, published by one of the developers? To clarify a bit here, I didn't mean that users should have to visit a freesite to determine whether or not a new r

RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costas Dokolas > Sent: den 4 december 2003 15:31 > To: Discussion of development issues > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Niklas Bergh

RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Costas Dokolas
> -Original Message- > From: Niklas Bergh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:03 PM > To: 'Discussion of development issues' > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report > > > > - What could be the benefits of "routing-only" nodes? (i.e. > > low stora

Re: [freenet-dev] FreeMixNet: Mixnet using censorship resistant Freenet routing

2003-12-04 Thread pineapple
Just curious, what advantage would this have over something like http over iip (which doesn't exist as far as I know)? Your description is kind of hard to follow. How about scanning and posting some 'napkin' diagrams to make your proposal clearer? --- "Edward J. Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Decaying Exponential Decay for binary estimators

2003-12-04 Thread Kendy Kutzner
On 2003-12-03T13:03:07-0800, Martin Stone Davis wrote: > That's fine too. And here's an even better idea: to make it easier to > read if DDRA is near 0 or 1, we should display the sequence like this: > "0(124) 1 0(56) 1" to indicate a sequence of 124 0's followed by a 1 > followed by 56 0's fo

[freenet-dev] Re: FreeMixNet: Mixnet using censorship resistant Freenet routing

2003-12-04 Thread Newsbyte
"When a notoriouskey becomes known (and the key of e.g. TFE would certainly benotorious), there will certainly be court orders against allknown Freenet nodes barring them from routing that key.  And ifthey continue to route the key in such a way that they can beproved to have routed the key,

RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
> - What could be the benefits of "routing-only" nodes? (i.e. > low storage space, assuming they are on very fast > connections) Perhaps extra anonymity for the network? A big problem here is that data still has to pass through the routing nodes.. Routing nodes has to update their routing table,

RE: Re[2]: [freenet-dev] black hole report

2003-12-04 Thread Costas Dokolas
Is there a chance the node behaves as "routing-only" node? (i.e. "I don't have the data myself but I can route like the wind!") As a correlation: - What could be the benefits of "routing-only" nodes? (i.e. low storage space, assuming they are on very fast connections) Perhaps extra anonymity for t

Re: [freenet-dev] Build 5555?

2003-12-04 Thread S
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:12:47 + Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We suspected that some irritating person might abuse the "new build > available" system in this way. The IP of that node has posted constructive stuff to devl, so I see it sort of like Zlatin's blackhole node: better the

Re: [freenet-dev] Build 5555?

2003-12-04 Thread Ian Clarke
S wrote: Someone on devl is running a node which reports itself as being build . Is this a homebrew/experimental build of some sort? Just curious what all it's doing; I noticed that my web interface was reporting "(Latest: )" so I dug around to see where it was coming from. We suspected tha

RE: [freenet-dev] Stable build 5047

2003-12-04 Thread Costas Dokolas
The catch is: it's not commented out! (either with a # or with a %) Basically, the question is "isn't stable now using classic routing whatever the config setting?" Is there a way to check the running setting from a servlet? Doc > -Original Message- > From: Niklas Bergh [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

[freenet-dev] Build 5555?

2003-12-04 Thread S
Someone on devl is running a node which reports itself as being build . Is this a homebrew/experimental build of some sort? Just curious what all it's doing; I noticed that my web interface was reporting "(Latest: )" so I dug around to see where it was coming from. -s _

RE: [freenet-dev] Stable build 5047

2003-12-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
No, I think the code will use the choosen type of rt. Check the implementation section on 'http://localhost:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html' for info on what your node is using. /N > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Costas Dok

Re: [freenet-dev] Stable build 5047

2003-12-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
If your ini file was created by an ngr-build it will still state ngr. However, since the config value is actually commented out by the '%' sign whatever the current nodes default value ('classic') is will be used. /N - Original Message - From: "Costas Dokolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dis

RE: [freenet-dev] Stable build 5047

2003-12-04 Thread Costas Dokolas
> -Original Message- > From: Toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [freenet-dev] Stable build 5047 > > * Some significant improvements to NGRouting. Since classic routing is > the default on the s