[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
"Point it to" ? What option? I've tried your profile with -P and it doesn't work. On Friday 07 March 2008 13:46, Martin Nyhus wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:43 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > > > They are numerous techniques to f

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-12 Thread Matthew Toseland
"Point it to" ? What option? I've tried your profile with -P and it doesn't work. On Friday 07 March 2008 13:46, Martin Nyhus wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:43 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daignière wrote: > > > They are numerous techniques to f

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Martin Nyhus
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:43 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > > They are numerous techniques to find it out; using the number of > > simultaneous connections the browser allows is less reliable than using > > http://ha.ckers.org/weird/CSS-hi

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 13:46, Martin Nyhus wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:43 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > > > They are numerous techniques to find it out; using the number of > > > simultaneous connections the browser allows is

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > * Colin Davis [2008-03-06 20:52:34]: > > > If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate > > installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ > > Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but it's in > > comm

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 01:38, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > > As far as I remember we have always been asking users to change that > setting... I don't think that you can reliably fingerprint freenet users > with it. Many websites give it as a "tip" to improve browsing performances; > there would be

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 23:26, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Ideally we want an external profile option - something where the settings are > > kept outside of the firefox directory, where firefox will always default to > > the default profile, without asking the user. > > Well.. If you wanted to

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 13:46, Martin Nyhus wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 11:43 +, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daignière wrote: > > > They are numerous techniques to find it out; using the number of > > > simultaneous connections the browser allows is

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 02:03, Florent Daignière wrote: > * Colin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 20:52:34]: > > > If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate > > installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ > > Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 07 March 2008 01:38, Florent Daignière wrote: > > As far as I remember we have always been asking users to change that > setting... I don't think that you can reliably fingerprint freenet users > with it. Many websites give it as a "tip" to improve browsing performances; > there would be

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 23:26, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Ideally we want an external profile option - something where the settings are > > kept outside of the firefox directory, where firefox will always default to > > the default profile, without asking the user. > > Well.. If you wanted to

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Florent Daignière
* Colin Davis [2008-03-06 20:52:34]: > If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate > installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ > Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but it's in > common use, and would set the connections much higher. > >> >> As far as

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-07 Thread Florent Daignière
* Matthew Toseland [2008-03-06 22:39:35]: > On Thursday 06 March 2008 21:17, Colin Davis wrote: > > > > > Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more > thing > > > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would > > > we > do > > > on linux

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 21:17, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more thing > > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would we do > > on linux and OS/X ? > > > > > Portable Firefox is what TorPark uses

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 14:51, Michael Rogers wrote: > On Mar 6 2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > True enough, but the alternatives are: - Doing nothing. This sucks. - > > Telling the user to change the settings manually. But if they do, their > > browser will be detectable (with a few false po

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but it's in common use, and would set the connections much higher. > > As far as I remember we have always been asking users to chan

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 16:32, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Both IE and Safari have *MAJOR* problems with Freenet. Safari waits for all > > the images to be loaded before even attempting to render the page; IE > > autodetects HTML even when it is told that a page is plain text (which is a > > m

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Ideally we want an external profile option - something where the settings are > kept outside of the firefox directory, where firefox will always default to > the default profile, without asking the user. > > Well.. If you wanted to go that way, you could use the -no-remote option, which a

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Florent Daignière
* Colin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 20:52:34]: > If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate > installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ > Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but it's in > common use, and would set the connections much higher

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
If you want to avoid a distinct fingerprint, you could advocate installing http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ Granted, it's not the kindest software on external servers, but it's in common use, and would set the connections much higher. > > As far as I remember we have always been asking users to chan

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Florent Daignière
* Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 22:39:35]: > On Thursday 06 March 2008 21:17, Colin Davis wrote: > > > > > Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more > thing > > > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would > > > we >

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more thing > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would we do > on linux and OS/X ? > > Portable Firefox is what TorPark uses. There is a version of Portable Firefox for Mac. http://www.freesm

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 13:52, Ian Clarke wrote: > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > front page... > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. What is the user agent string for Safari? > > Ian. > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthew Tosela

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Ideally we want an external profile option - something where the settings are > kept outside of the firefox directory, where firefox will always default to > the default profile, without asking the user. > > Well.. If you wanted to go that way, you could use the -no-remote option, which a

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Florent Daignière
* Ian Clarke [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > front page... > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. > > Ian. In fact I have reintroduced active-links on the front-page because users weren't clicking on bookmarks...

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Michael Rogers
On Mar 6 2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > True enough, but the alternatives are: - Doing nothing. This sucks. - > Telling the user to change the settings manually. But if they do, their > browser will be detectable (with a few false positives) as having been > modified to work better with Freenet

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 21:17, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more thing > > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would we do > > on linux and OS/X ? > > > > > Portable Firefox is what TorPark uses

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 14:51, Michael Rogers wrote: > On Mar 6 2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > True enough, but the alternatives are: - Doing nothing. This sucks. - > > Telling the user to change the settings manually. But if they do, their > > browser will be detectable (with a few false po

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread juergen urner
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > >> As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet >> should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. >> >> 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet >> shouldn't co

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Not a bad idea, although it's an additional 6MB download, and one more thing > to update (does it auto-update?). And it's windows specific: what would we do > on linux and OS/X ? > > Portable Firefox is what TorPark uses. There is a version of Portable Firefox for Mac. http://www.freesm

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 11:49, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 16:32, Colin Davis wrote: > > > Both IE and Safari have *MAJOR* problems with Freenet. Safari waits for all > > the images to be loaded before even attempting to render the page; IE > > autodetects HTML even when it is told that a page is plain text (which is a > > m

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet > shouldn't constantly chase the tale of different

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Both IE and Safari have *MAJOR* problems with Freenet. Safari waits for all > the images to be loaded before even attempting to render the page; IE > autodetects HTML even when it is told that a page is plain text (which is a > major security breach as an attacker can then send unfiltered HTM

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Robert Hailey
On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Florent Daigni?re > wrote: >> * Ian Clarke [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: >> >> >>> Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the >>> front page... >>> >>> This can be done by checking the user agent

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Robert Hailey
On Mar 6, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Florent Daignière <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the front page... This can be done by checking

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Colin Davis
> Both IE and Safari have *MAJOR* problems with Freenet. Safari waits for all > the images to be loaded before even attempting to render the page; IE > autodetects HTML even when it is told that a page is plain text (which is a > major security breach as an attacker can then send unfiltered HTM

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > * Ian Clarke [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: > > > > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > > front page... > > > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. > > > > Ian. > > In fact I have reintrod

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Ian Clarke
Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the front page... This can be done by checking the user agent string. Ian. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 13:52, Ian Clarke wrote: > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > front page... > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. What is the user agent string for Safari? > > Ian. > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthew Tosela

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Michael Rogers
On Mar 6 2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > True enough, but the alternatives are: - Doing nothing. This sucks. - > Telling the user to change the settings manually. But if they do, their > browser will be detectable (with a few false positives) as having been > modified to work better with Freenet

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Florent Daignière <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: > > > > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > > front page... > > > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Florent Daignière
* Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-06 07:52:42]: > Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the > front page... > > This can be done by checking the user agent string. > > Ian. In fact I have reintroduced active-links on the front-page because users weren't clicki

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Ian Clarke
Simple fix for the safari problem: don't include active links in the front page... This can be done by checking the user agent string. Ian. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > > As a ignorant user,

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread juergen urner
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > >> As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet >> should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. >> >> 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet >> shouldn't co

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 06 March 2008 11:49, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:13, Colin Davis wrote: > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet > shouldn't constantly chase the tale of different

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-06 Thread Florent Daignière
* Colin Davis [2008-03-05 17:13:22]: > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet > shouldn't constantly chase the tale of different browsers. > 2)

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
Firefox is able to create profiles, and run two of them at once (at least my iceweasel is). I propose that the browse freenet script creates a new firefox profile called Freeet (if it doesn't already exist), creates a user.js telling it to use a lot of connections, turn off javascript, etc (if

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-05 Thread Florent Daignière
* Colin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-05 17:13:22]: > As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet > should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. > > 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet > shouldn't constantly chase the tale of diffe

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-05 Thread Colin Davis
As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet shouldn't constantly chase the tale of different browsers. 2) Most users don't use Firefox currently. Most gene

Re: [freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-05 Thread Colin Davis
As a ignorant user, I think that's as a general principal, Freenet should try to be as browser agnostic as possible.. 1) Firefox may not be the dominant browser down the line- Freenet shouldn't constantly chase the tale of different browsers. 2) Most users don't use Firefox currently. Most gene

[freenet-dev] Firefox and Freenet

2008-03-05 Thread Matthew Toseland
Firefox is able to create profiles, and run two of them at once (at least my iceweasel is). I propose that the browse freenet script creates a new firefox profile called Freeet (if it doesn't already exist), creates a user.js telling it to use a lot of connections, turn off javascript, etc (if